Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread Corky
Or even better for us that are unable to cave right now, we could line our homes with LED's and project images of cave interiors. I could take a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano Air Freshener to complete the illusion. Corky John P Brooks wrote: Those

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
The LED mesh we are using to cover the outside of a stadium costs around 400 to 500 usd per sf. Then you need all the technology infrastucture to run it...plus programs and content...but, yes, one could create a virtual cave at home. But before you make the leap...I would wait a couple of

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread George Nincehelser
To: David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles David, There are many cars out there that don't use a whole lot of steel in their construction. For instance, the Mazda RX-8 I have has many panels made

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread Fritz Holt
: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Walden; Fritz Holt; Stefan Creaser; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles From the figures I've seen, there are only around 3% of them still in (limited) service. And some of those are around

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread Don Cooper
-- *From:* George Nincehelser [mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Cc:* Bill Walden; Fritz Holt; Stefan Creaser; David Locklear *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles From the figures

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread wwildchild
...@nincehelser.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; Bill Walden wdwal...@hughes.net; Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles I've flown in several DC-3s, but have never landed in one

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread Scott
. - Original Message - From: George Nincehelser To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Walden ; Fritz Holt ; Stefan Creaser ; David Locklear Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles From the figures I've seen, there are only

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread Allan B. Cobb
Strictly an opinion but as the DC3 is obsolete, 3% ain't bad. My first commercial flight was on a DC3 from Bryan/College Station to Houston while attending Allen Academy in about 1950. I rode on a DC-3 on a flight between Cozumel and Cancun back in 1983. The starboard engine was

[Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread David Locklear
Has anybody seen the prices lately on high-end bicylces at retails stores. You can easily spend over $ 6,000 on a bicycle. You can buy one as-is for $ 5,650 plus tax at places like Sun Ski Sports. Now, if they would take that technology and design and build a car from scratch, and then add

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Nico Escamilla
BMW will soon start production of the famous Isseta (yeah the car that was half scooter half refrigerator) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Isetta On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody seen the prices lately on high-end bicylces at retails stores.

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Stefan Creaser
David, There are many cars out there that don't use a whole lot of steel in their construction. For instance, the Mazda RX-8 I have has many panels made of plastic**. Some high-end sports cars have even more made from Carbon Fibre; however, that tells us that's it's quite expensive to produce.

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Louise Power
-0800 From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles David, There are many cars out there that don't use a whole lot of steel in their construction. For instance, the Mazda RX-8 I have has many panels

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Fritz Holt
, Google Delorian and the auto and its founder, John Z. DeLorian pops up. Fritz -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:10 PM To: David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles David

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Fritz Holt
on this or something similar. Fritz _ From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:27 PM To: Stefan Creaser; David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles Of course the problem with making a significantly

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread George Nincehelser
: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:10 PM To: David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles David, There are many cars out there that don't use a whole lot of steel in their construction. For instance

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Scott Nicholson
texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:36:29 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles A big drawback of aluminum is its metal fatigue characteristics. You pretty much have to expect that it's eventually going to fail, but you really don't know when

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Creaser; David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles Wasn't the Delorean's body stainless steel? One of my old college buddies had one.interesting carhorrible visibility. Another old friend invented a contraption that heated gasoline into vapor

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Bill Walden
founder, John Z. DeLorian pops up. Fritz -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:10 PM To: David Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future

RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Louise Power
PMTo: Stefan Creaser; David Locklear; Texas CaversSubject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles Of course the problem with making a significantly lighter car is that nobody is making a significantly lighter semi. And when the two collide, well you know which one's going to win...all over

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread Don Cooper
Locklear; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles David, There are many cars out there that don't use a whole lot of steel in their construction. For instance, the Mazda RX-8 I have has many panels made of plastic**. Some high-end