It is SO G.D. easy to reply to it on the OT list.
I apologize for not having done so.  I cannot imagine why others have not
either.
Its easy enough I guess to just REPLY - after all - someone ELSE started
it....
-WaV

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:15 PM, <tra...@oztotl.com> wrote:

> Ok, just the other day I defended this list serve because it had been so
> pleasant of a place where topics of caving, and things caving related took
> place.  I defended it to an upcoming leader of a Texas grotto who told me
> about the horror stories he has heard regarding the religious debates,
> diatribes, complete and total off topic rants that fill up the inbox.  Just
> about the time I try hard to defend Texascavers and he actually listens to
> me telling him that every once in a while some good info that might help his
> growing grotto WILL actually come out, this OT subject comes up again and
> has already spawned a lot of responses..  If he has signed on and is reading
> this, I am sorry I ever suggested you join this listserve, the breeders and
> supporters of these OT subjects will obviously never change.
>
> You all may also consider that religion tends to be very poignant no matter
> which religion it is or isn't.  This will hopefully remind you that some of
> you unfiltered and unwarranted beliefs might very easily offend some of your
> fellow cavers.  Why would you want to do that?
>
> Anyways, I will bet that many reading this have been enjoying the caving
> related bliss of this (caving related) list serve, and I ask that we don't
> go back down this path, yet again..  If so, good people, like the upcoming
> grotto leader, will be out of touch with the local caving world because the
> list serve is mostly defunct, and I would hate to see that..
>
> TS
>
>
>
>   Religion/ *re·li·gion, *noun
> "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
> devotion."
>
> -Invisible man who makes things
> -Things happening by themselves over an un-monitorable period of time in
> contradiction to accepted laws of physics
>
> Either one fits the bill I suppose.  And from the perspective of the
> 'believer' of any opposing view, the other will appear to be ignorant or
> simplifying things to ease ridicule.
>
> But yah, OT... and once again I'm sucked into it like a black hole...
>
> -B
>
>  On 7/10/08, speleoste...@tx.rr.com <speleoste...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is this OT?
>>
>> ---- Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > As we used to say in East Texas, "Same difference."> Date: Thu, 10 Jul
>> 2008 08:54:52 -0700> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com> To:
>> gprichm...@gmail.com; bmorgan...@aol.com> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Hippie chix, healing> > That's just *one*
>> religion. What about the hundreds of other ones?> > -----Original
>> Message-----> From: George-Paul Richmann [mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com] >
>> > Explain the difference between 'illusory' forms of religion and> religion?
>> George Carlin had a pretty good diatribe on the subject. ;-)> > "Religion
>> has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man> living in the
>> sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every> day. And the
>> invisible man has a special list of ten things he does> not want you to do.
>> And if you do any of these ten things, he has a> special place, full of fire
>> and smoke and burning and torture and> anguish, where he will send you to
>> live and suffer and burn and choke> and scream and cry forever and ever 'til
>> the end of time!> > But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! "> >
>> --GP> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM, <bmorgan...@aol.com> wrote:> >
>> What do shamanic rituals, holographic medicine, holistic healing, and> >
>> spiritualism all have in common besides old hippie chix? They are all> >
>> entirely illusory forms of religion!> >> > Sleaze> > > > -- > George-Paul
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