RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread rafal kedzierski
exascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:04:56 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: rafal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Rafal, To much carbon dioxide will kill. A friend and I were s

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread rafal kedzierski
8 Jul 2012 11:04:56 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: rafal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Rafal, To much carbon dioxide will kill. A friend and I were surveying a cave that floods d

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread rafal kedzierski
exascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:04:56 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: rafal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Rafal, To much carbon dioxide will kill. A friend and I were s

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread Bill Walden
n the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ *From:* Louise Power *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM *To:* Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas Cavers *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothin

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread Bill Walden
n the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ *From:* Louise Power *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM *To:* Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas Cavers *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothin

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-28 Thread Bill Walden
n the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ *From:* Louise Power *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM *To:* Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas Cavers *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothin

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-27 Thread rafal kedzierski
lmost sure prevention for this form of stupidity. It is called the M.S.D.S., the Material Safety Data Sheet. I is supposed to be read BEFORE you open the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ From: Louise Power Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM To: Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-27 Thread rafal kedzierski
pidity. It is called the M.S.D.S., the Material Safety Data Sheet. I is supposed to be read BEFORE you open the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ From: Louise Power Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM To: Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes in

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-27 Thread rafal kedzierski
lmost sure prevention for this form of stupidity. It is called the M.S.D.S., the Material Safety Data Sheet. I is supposed to be read BEFORE you open the container or apply the stuff! E ^v^ From: Louise Power Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:24 AM To: Geary Schindel ; Bill Mixon ; Texas

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
azmat training yearly. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:38:02 -0500 From: lmcn...@austin.rr.com To: pns_...@bellsouth.net CC: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes So Preston, we won

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
azmat training yearly. Louise Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:38:02 -0500 From: lmcn...@austin.rr.com To: pns_...@bellsouth.net CC: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes So Preston, we won't be severely injured/killed by an

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
azmat training yearly. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:38:02 -0500 From: lmcn...@austin.rr.com To: pns_...@bellsouth.net CC: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes So Preston, we won

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Logan McNatt
So Preston, we won't be severely injured/killed by an explosion, just die an excrutiating miserable slow death by methane? :-( LowGun On 7/25/2012 10:33 AM, Preston Forsythe wrote: That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Logan McNatt
So Preston, we won't be severely injured/killed by an explosion, just die an excrutiating miserable slow death by methane? :-( LowGun On 7/25/2012 10:33 AM, Preston Forsythe wrote: That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Logan McNatt
So Preston, we won't be severely injured/killed by an explosion, just die an excrutiating miserable slow death by methane? :-( LowGun On 7/25/2012 10:33 AM, Preston Forsythe wrote: That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
especially critical here in Oregon and other states where meth labs and dumps are so prominent on public lands. :-( Louise From: nmca...@comcast.net To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
especially critical here in Oregon and other states where meth labs and dumps are so prominent on public lands. :-( Louise From: nmca...@comcast.net To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
especially critical here in Oregon and other states where meth labs and dumps are so prominent on public lands. :-( Louise From: nmca...@comcast.net To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Jim Evatt
; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Dat

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Jim Evatt
; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Dat

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Jim Evatt
; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Dat

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:20:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fu

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:20:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fu

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
Wait!!! You mean I sent them all my canaries for nothing?! After all, Gary, it's really not a mine anymore. > From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:20:57 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fu

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
om To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to ho

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
om CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to hospital does not prove that there was

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Louise Power
om To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to ho

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What about banana peels?  Suggestion FAIL. --- On Wed, 7/25/12, Mixon Bill wrote: The "power of suggestion" is indeed powerful. If you think fumes are making you sick, they very well might. -- Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What about banana peels?  Suggestion FAIL. --- On Wed, 7/25/12, Mixon Bill wrote: The "power of suggestion" is indeed powerful. If you think fumes are making you sick, they very well might. -- Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What about banana peels?  Suggestion FAIL. --- On Wed, 7/25/12, Mixon Bill wrote: The "power of suggestion" is indeed powerful. If you think fumes are making you sick, they very well might. -- Mixon

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Bill Bentley
.@edwardsaquifer.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM > To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes > > Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues > where we never found the substance. A number of people g

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Bill Bentley
.@edwardsaquifer.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM > To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes > > Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues > where we never found the substance. A number of people g

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Bill Bentley
.@edwardsaquifer.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM > To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes > > Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues > where we never found the substance. A number of people g

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
All this talk of being sick is making me sick. Time for coffee and cookies. -Stefan -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes Bill

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
All this talk of being sick is making me sick. Time for coffee and cookies. -Stefan -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes Bill

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
All this talk of being sick is making me sick. Time for coffee and cookies. -Stefan -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:38 AM To: 'Mixon Bill'; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] fumes Bill

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues where we never found the substance. A number of people got sick. Was it because the first person had a stomach bug and tossed their cookies on the floor of the classroom. Someone else tosses their cookies because they can'

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues where we never found the substance. A number of people got sick. Was it because the first person had a stomach bug and tossed their cookies on the floor of the classroom. Someone else tosses their cookies because they can'

RE: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Bill is correct, I've worked a number of sick building syndrome issues where we never found the substance. A number of people got sick. Was it because the first person had a stomach bug and tossed their cookies on the floor of the classroom. Someone else tosses their cookies because they can'

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Preston Forsythe
That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane proof allowing you to breath about anything with setting off an explosion. Preston - Original Message - From: "Mixon Bill"

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Preston Forsythe
That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane proof allowing you to breath about anything with setting off an explosion. Preston - Original Message - From: "Mixon Bill"

Re: [Texascavers] fumes

2012-07-25 Thread Preston Forsythe
That's why I recommended the new approved coal miners light on this forum a month or so ago as the light is methane proof allowing you to breath about anything with setting off an explosion. Preston - Original Message - From: "Mixon Bill"

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Folks, I agree with Bill, when using solvent based paints (or for that matter, any hazards material) in a confined space, it is much quicker, easier and cheaper to use humans to determine if you've exceeded any health related chemical thresholds verses real time air monitoring or canaries. Mos

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Folks, I agree with Bill, when using solvent based paints (or for that matter, any hazards material) in a confined space, it is much quicker, easier and cheaper to use humans to determine if you've exceeded any health related chemical thresholds verses real time air monitoring or canaries. Mos

RE: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel
Folks, I agree with Bill, when using solvent based paints (or for that matter, any hazards material) in a confined space, it is much quicker, easier and cheaper to use humans to determine if you've exceeded any health related chemical thresholds verses real time air monitoring or canaries. Mos

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Mallory Mayeux
I don't know Bill. If I was at work and suddenly puked, fainted or whatever it was happened that to these park service employees, I would sure want someone to figure out the problem and correct it! Sounds like real danger to me Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Mallory Mayeux
I don't know Bill. If I was at work and suddenly puked, fainted or whatever it was happened that to these park service employees, I would sure want someone to figure out the problem and correct it! Sounds like real danger to me Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Mallory Mayeux
I don't know Bill. If I was at work and suddenly puked, fainted or whatever it was happened that to these park service employees, I would sure want someone to figure out the problem and correct it! Sounds like real danger to me Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Ted Samsel
Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: > The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to hospital does not prove > that there was any real danger or there were any real injuries, given the > "excess of caution" (wim

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Ted Samsel
Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: > The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to hospital does not prove > that there was any real danger or there were any real injuries, given the > "excess of caution" (wim

Re: [Texascavers] fumes in CC visitor center

2012-07-25 Thread Ted Samsel
Fear of lawsuits is wimpishness? Christ on a crutch. Get a grip. Ted On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: > The fact that a few staff "had to" be taken to hospital does not prove > that there was any real danger or there were any real injuries, given the > "excess of caution" (wim