texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 00:38:18 -0000 Issue 654
Topics (messages 9509 through 9522):
Re: new Speleo Digest series editor
9509 by: Mixon Bill
9511 by: Diana Tomchick
9515 by: George Veni
9521 by: mark gee
underground lunchroom at Carlspatch
9510 by: Mixon Bill
Camping in national forests
9512 by: Mike Gross
9514 by: Louise Power
Safety in Mexico
9513 by: Louise Power
9517 by: CaverArch
9519 by: Amanda Scott
9522 by: Nico Escamilla
Re: SpeleoDigest
9516 by: Jim Kennedy
Solitario?
9518 by: Matt Turner
9520 by: Bill Bentley
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I agree that putting out a newsletter today is still a lot of work,
what with editing, cajoling, etc, as Diana describes, even with
computers making the mechanical aspects easier. But those who put out
Speleo Digests don't really have to do all that. I doubt it they copy-
edit the articles they reprint, and of course the cajoling was done by
the editors for the grottos that originally published the material.
Mostly what they are doing is a monumental layout job.
I sort of agree that the recent Speleo Digests have been longer than
necessary. Some of the stuff seems to be just reports on visits to
already known caves or redundant techniques articles. However, just
because a cave is already known to _me_ and a good map was published
in, say, the 1974 Speleo Digest, that doesn't matter to most of the
people who would buy a new Digest today. Does anybody else who reads
the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? -- Mixon
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On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
I agree that putting out a newsletter today is still a lot of work,
what with editing, cajoling, etc, as Diana describes, even with
computers making the mechanical aspects easier. But those who put
out Speleo Digests don't really have to do all that. I doubt it they
copy-edit the articles they reprint, and of course the cajoling was
done by the editors for the grottos that originally published the
material. Mostly what they are doing is a monumental layout job.
The Speleo Digest editors still need to cajole the editors of the
grotto newsletters for the content. This is complicated by the fact
that the Digest is now so far behind that you have to figure out WHO
was actually the editor 3-4 years ago, and then hope that they can
find an electronic version of the articles and the photos.
They might not re-edit the articles, it would help the quality of the
publication if they did re-edit some of them.
Massaging the photos in a program such as Adobe Photoshop is not a
trivial endeavor, either.
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
Does anybody else who reads
the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? -- Mixon
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I have a complete set. I don't use them regularly, but over the years I've
found them handy to find information on areas and caves I was interested in
or planned to visit. They're a great resource.
George
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Bill, I have the 74 Speleo Digest and many
more.58,70,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,98,99,00,01,02,and
03. Im reading the 1981 Digest right now. I too have used them to read about
exploration into Dunbar Cave in Tennesse and other caves that I find
interesting. They are a great resource for info.
Mark G
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From: George Veni <gv...@warpdriveonline.com>
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 12:12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor
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From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
Does anybody else who reads
the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? -- Mixon
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I have a complete set. I don't use them regularly, but over the years I've
found them handy to find information on areas and caves I was interested in
or planned to visit. They're a great resource.
George
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CC National Park has been trying to get rid of the underground
lunchroom for twenty years. Things move slowly, especially in the face
of the local business that has the concession to run it.... -- Mixon
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After reading some of the responses to the article about overnight camping
in national forests, it seems to me the discussion is leaving out at least
a couple of parts.
Some of it is the aging of the baby boom generation. We're the biggest
spike to flow through US demographics ever. When we were in our 20's and
30's we were all out hiking and climbing (and caving), a lot of it in
national forests and parks. A whole industry blossomed to cater to us. REI
carried mostly serious gear that could not be bought anywhere else . EMS,
Sierra Designs, Chouinard/Patagonia, The North Face, Petzl, Lowe Alpine,
SMC, and dozens of others, not to mention all the European gear that was
being sold, took off.
As we aged, millions of us turned to easier versions of outdoor sports --
car camping, staying at the lodge, etc etc. My wife and I have followed the
pattern: we used to take a real hiking trip twice a year, now we mostly go
car camping with a few day hikes thrown in. We quit buying hard core gear,
and fewer buyers replaced us.You can follow the trend in REI, which is
still looking for the boomer buck: now it's heavy with clothing for town &
country. At the stores -- which have to sell volume to pay for themselves
-- serious outdoor gear gets crowded into smaller corners to make room for
clothes, "packable" espresso makers and lawn chairs, etc.
I would argue that you can't label these trends good or bad: they are just
changes.
I don't know if the post-boomer generations are more or less interested in
serious outdoor stuff than we were on a per-capita basis: either way there
are just less of them (you). Judging from the folks who come to UT grotto
meetings or who I meet out caving, serious caving, climbing, and similar
stuff is not in decline, and the standards seem higher than ever.
I would also argue that there is another component. A bad change is the
brutal budget cutting that has devastated public lands, along with nearly
every other element of public infrastructure, over the past eight years.
What hasn't been allowed to fall apart has been privatized. What's your
response when the person running the campsite you check into is some guy
who doesn't know all that much about it but got the contract to collect
your fees? I'm not the only person I know who finds national parks and
forests a lot less inviting to visit than they were 25 years ago, despite
the heroic efforts of the few federal staff who remain. The ideological
campaign to privatize and individualize everything has also led to higher
and higher user fees to replace falling support from general revenue, as
opposed to a system where our common resources (taxes) support our common
parks and forests, and all are welcome.
Hopefully we'll see a change in direction on this basic issue: the people
who make the decisions will be people who actually believe in and care
about public lands, maintenance and staffing will be restored, and then
maybe we'll see if people really don't like national forests and parks as
much as they did in the good old days.
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As a federal employee myself, I like you to realize that federal agency budgets
have flatlined (read doing more or the same with the same budget you had three
years ago). This has caused not only National Forests, but most Park Service,
BLM, Corps of Engineers, etc, facilities to become seriously in need of repair.
People alone cannot stop this deterioration, it takes funds from Congress to
make materials available, especially for facilities that are on the Register of
Historic Places. They can only be rehabilitated in specific (usually costly)
ways.> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:30:28 -0600> To: texascavers@texascavers.com>
From: mgr...@cwa-tseu.org> Subject: [Texascavers] Camping in national forests>
> After reading some of the responses to the article about overnight camping >
in national forests, it seems to me the discussion is leaving out at least > a
couple of parts.> > Some of it is the aging of the baby boom generation. We're
the biggest > spike to flow through US demographics ever. When we were in our
20's and > 30's we were all out hiking and climbing (and caving), a lot of it
in > national forests and parks. A whole industry blossomed to cater to us. REI
> carried mostly serious gear that could not be bought anywhere else . EMS, >
Sierra Designs, Chouinard/Patagonia, The North Face, Petzl, Lowe Alpine, > SMC,
and dozens of others, not to mention all the European gear that was > being
sold, took off.> > As we aged, millions of us turned to easier versions of
outdoor sports -- > car camping, staying at the lodge, etc etc. My wife and I
have followed the > pattern: we used to take a real hiking trip twice a year,
now we mostly go > car camping with a few day hikes thrown in. We quit buying
hard core gear, > and fewer buyers replaced us.You can follow the trend in REI,
which is > still looking for the boomer buck: now it's heavy with clothing for
town & > country. At the stores -- which have to sell volume to pay for
themselves > -- serious outdoor gear gets crowded into smaller corners to make
room for > clothes, "packable" espresso makers and lawn chairs, etc.> > I would
argue that you can't label these trends good or bad: they are just > changes.>
> I don't know if the post-boomer generations are more or less interested in >
serious outdoor stuff than we were on a per-capita basis: either way there >
are just less of them (you). Judging from the folks who come to UT grotto >
meetings or who I meet out caving, serious caving, climbing, and similar >
stuff is not in decline, and the standards seem higher than ever.> > I would
also argue that there is another component. A bad change is the > brutal budget
cutting that has devastated public lands, along with nearly > every other
element of public infrastructure, over the past eight years. > What hasn't been
allowed to fall apart has been privatized. What's your > response when the
person running the campsite you check into is some guy > who doesn't know all
that much about it but got the contract to collect > your fees? I'm not the
only person I know who finds national parks and > forests a lot less inviting
to visit than they were 25 years ago, despite > the heroic efforts of the few
federal staff who remain. The ideological > campaign to privatize and
individualize everything has also led to higher > and higher user fees to
replace falling support from general revenue, as > opposed to a system where
our common resources (taxes) support our common > parks and forests, and all
are welcome.> > Hopefully we'll see a change in direction on this basic issue:
the people > who make the decisions will be people who actually believe in and
care > about public lands, maintenance and staffing will be restored, and then
> maybe we'll see if people really don't like national forests and parks as >
much as they did in the good old days. > > >
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I've been reading all the messages about safety in Mexico and was reminded of a
couple of incidents that happened on a couple of trips I was on.
The first one happened between Sabinas Hidalgo and Villaldama on a trip to
Bustamente. The road crosses several arroyos with intermittant streams. As we
were driving along, we noticed a roadblock ahead. When we stopped, the officer
told us that a road crew was repairing one of the bridges ahead and we would
need to wait. I think we waited about 20 minutes and then saw a plane take off
from the road about a couple of miles ahead. Without a blink, the officer came
back to our vehicle and told us that the road had been repaired and we were
free to proceed.
The second incident took place during one of several trips that Mike Connolly
and I took between Christmas and New Years to introduce new cavers to the area
south of Monterrey. We had serious, incapacitating vehicle trouble going up a
steep logging road. We were in my old '67 Chevy Suburban and the spline sleeve
on the end of the axle inside the transfer case broke. Mike and I took the top
off the transfer case (ah! the good ol' days when you could still do your own
work) to see what the problem was. Unfortunately it was not one that we could
repair. As we were working at the side of the road, a stakebed truck pulled up
ahead of us and one of the men came over to see what the problem was. We told
him what we thought the problem was and he said that he was on his way up the
road to check on a house he was building in the mountains. He said that when he
came back, he'd give us a tow to his mechanic (in a community just south of
Monterrey). We were all a little skeptical, but what choice did we have. Not
only did he tow us back, but he set us up with his mechanic in a small
shade-tree garage, came back that night, picked us up, took us to his house in
Monterrey where he and his family gave us a place to sleep and his wife fixed
us dinner and breakfast the next morning. During dinner, we found out that he
was a pediatric neurosurgeon at one of Monterrey's hospitals. After breakfast,
he took us back out to the mechanic. The Suburban was eventually fixed (a whole
nother story) and we made it through the rest of our somewhat abbreviated trip
and back to Houston without incident.
I've always had good luck with the people in Mexico. I've found them especially
kind, accommodating and friendly--especially in the outback areas. The only
danger I found was driving at night if you're not aware that (1) there may be
cattle on the road and (2) there may be a truck parked in your lane with its
lights turned off while its occupant and a friend standing next to the truck
chat. Keep your brights on in open country and remember, on a one-way bridge,
the one who gets there first or blinks his lights first has the right of way.
Louise
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I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but I just
received the following forward from my cousin. He was contacting an
acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter ceremonies
in the Copper Canyon. He got the following chilling response from the person
who used to conduct these informal group visits to the Canyon.
I have been to this beautiful place, and heard distant Tarahumara drumming to
greet the sunrise. The canyon and its people will get along without the Gringo
tourists, I hope, but this is a very sad way to get some privacy.
Roger Moore
Houston
<<Hi,
It is really too bad what is happening in Mexico with the drug traffic. We
lived in Creel for ten years but decided to move to El Paso. The ceremonies
are great to see but its too dangerous to go there now. Unless things change I
don't think you should plan to go. We used to travel all over northern Mexico
but things have changed drastically in the last two years.
I had to go to Juarez yesterday and had to get rerouted by the federal police.
I found out later four people were killed. Our daughter lives in Chihuahua
city and said there were two people killed on the streets yesterday morning.
She also told us they are detoured in different areas of town almost daily
because of the shootings. Its really getting bad, even the local people are
affraid to be on the streets even during the day.
We still have a home in Creel, you may have heard about the the killings there,
it made the national news. Thirteen people were gunned down and the people
responsible say they will be back. The Catholic church has thirteen coffins in
the square with a large banner that reads welcome to the land of death. The
local economy has been destroyed because no one goes there anymore.
In the cities they are even putting up banners and publishing hit lists. Even
the bigger cities are like ghost towns after dark. Now they are starting to
extort money from businesses and burning the businesses if they don't pay.
Kidnapping of adults is up 40%. Over 400 people were killed in the first few
weeks of October. It's just a shame what is happening, it's affecting the whole
region.
Well, sorry to get so deep into all that. We have family and friends living
with the violence so it seems pretty close to home. We used to have groups of
people come down but we quit taking people there about three years ago. Its
just isn't a good idea anymore. >>
Roger G. Moore, Ph.D., RPA
President
Moore Archeological Consulting, Inc.
3511 Houston Avenue, Suite B
Houston, TX 77009
713 861-8663 (R Moore)
713 861-2323 (Lab)
713 861-8627 (Fax)
cavera...@aol.com
In a message dated 12/01/08 13:34:03 Central Standard Time,
power_lou...@hotmail.com writes:
I've been reading all the messages about safety in Mexico and was reminded of a
couple of incidents that happened on a couple of trips I was on.
The first one happened between Sabinas Hidalgo and Villaldama on a trip to
Bustamente. The road crosses several arroyos with intermittant streams. As we
were driving along, we noticed a roadblock ahead. When we stopped, the officer
told us that a road crew was repairing one of the bridges ahead and we would
need to wait. I think we waited about 20 minutes and then saw a plane take off
from the road about a couple of miles ahead. Without a blink, the officer came
back to our vehicle and told us that the road had been repaired and we were
free to proceed.
The second incident took place during one of several trips that Mike Connolly
and I took between Christmas and New Years to introduce new cavers to the area
south of Monterrey. We had serious, incapacitating vehicle trouble going up a
steep logging road. We were in my old '67 Chevy Suburban and the spline sleeve
on the end of the axle inside the transfer case broke. Mike and I took the top
off the transfer case (ah! the good ol' days when you could still do your own
work) to see what the problem was. Unfortunately it was not one that we could
repair. As we were working at the side of the road, a stakebed truck pulled up
ahead of us and one of the men came over to see what the problem was. We told
him what we thought the problem was and he said that he was on his way up the
road to check on a house he was building in the mountains. He said that when he
came back, he'd give us a tow to his mechanic (in a community just south of
Monterrey). We were all a little skeptical, but what choice did we have. Not
only did he tow us back, but he set us up with his mechanic in a small
shade-tree garage, came back that night, picked us up, took us to his house in
Monterrey where he and his family gave us a place to sleep and his wife fixed
us dinner and breakfast the next morning. During dinner, we found out that he
was a pediatric neurosurgeon at one of Monterrey's hospitals. After breakfast,
he took us back out to the mechanic. The Suburban was eventually fixed (a whole
nother story) and we made it through the rest of our somewhat abbreviated trip
and back to Houston without incident.
I've always had good luck with the people in Mexico. I've found them especially
kind, accommodating and friendly--especially in the outback areas. The only
danger I found was driving at night if you're not aware that (1) there may be
cattle on the road and (2) there may be a truck parked in your lane with its
lights turned off while its occupant and a friend standing next to the truck
chat. Keep your brights on in open country and remember, on a one-way bridge,
the one who gets there first or blinks his lights first has the right of way.
Louise
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I was in Monterrey, Montemorales, and Linares the week before last for four
days on a work trip. We met with local growers, ranchers, and had a lecture
from a political science professor at Monterrey Tech among many other
activities. There was a lot of discussion about the drug traffic from South
America and the resultant crime in Mexico. I think we probably even met a
businessman in the Mexican mafia - - - something was really off about him,
his employees, and his factory. Even the political professor admitted that
the government in Mexico is very corrupt which I thought was pretty
interesting to tell to a group of Americans.
I think there is real danger in Mexico, but we were fortunate to be with
excellent guides and had safe travels.
Just my two cents worth.
Amanda
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CaverArch <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
> I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but
> I just received the following forward from my cousin. He was contacting an
> acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter
> ceremonies in the Copper Canyon. He got the following chilling response
> from the person who used to conduct these informal group visits to the
> Canyon.
>
> I have been to this beautiful place, and heard distant Tarahumara drumming
> to greet the sunrise. The canyon and its people will get along without the
> Gringo tourists, I hope, but this is a very sad way to get some privacy.
>
> Roger Moore
> Houston
> **
> <<Hi,
>
> It is really too bad what is happening in Mexico with the drug traffic. We
> lived in Creel for ten years but decided to move to El Paso. The ceremonies
> are great to see but its too dangerous to go there now. Unless things
> change I don't think you should plan to go. We used to travel all over
> northern Mexico but things have changed drastically in the last two years.
>
> I had to go to Juarez yesterday and had to get rerouted by the federal
> police. I found out later four people were killed. Our daughter lives in
> Chihuahua city and said there were two people killed on the streets
> yesterday morning. She also told us they are detoured in different areas of
> town almost daily because of the shootings. Its really getting bad, even
> the local people are affraid to be on the streets even during the day.
>
> We still have a home in Creel, you may have heard about the the killings
> there, it made the national news. Thirteen people were gunned down and the
> people responsible say they will be back. The Catholic church has thirteen
> coffins in the square with a large banner that reads welcome to the land of
> death. The local economy has been destroyed because no one goes there
> anymore.
>
> In the cities they are even putting up banners and publishing hit lists.
> Even the bigger cities are like ghost towns after dark. Now they are
> starting to extort money from businesses and burning the businesses if they
> don't pay. Kidnapping of adults is up 40%. Over 400 people were killed in
> the first few weeks of October. It's just a shame what is happening, it's
> affecting the whole region.
>
> Well, sorry to get so deep into all that. We have family and friends
> living with the violence so it seems pretty close to home. We used to have
> groups of people come down but we quit taking people there about three years
> ago. Its just isn't a good idea anymore. >>
>
>
> Roger G. Moore, Ph.D., RPA
> President
> Moore Archeological Consulting, Inc.
> 3511 Houston Avenue, Suite B
> Houston, TX 77009
> 713 861-8663 (R Moore)
> 713 861-2323 (Lab)
> 713 861-8627 (Fax)
> cavera...@aol.com
>
>
>
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I hear all kinds of stories about crime and whatnot and I live right here in
Mexico where all this stuff is unfolding and not one minute have I felt
unsafe, of course living in a small town (with bad guys presence of course)
helps cause most everybody knows each other and as long as you dont mess
around with the bad guys they just leave you alone, same applies to my
stomping grounds Vallecillo, Lampazos, Villaldama etc. if you make yourself
not look like a victim you will not be a victim, unless you seriously screw
up.
besides, that list is aimed at british people who dont know better, its not
called nanny state for nothing. Staying safe in Mexico just takes common
sense.
Nico
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Amanda Scott <mamaarsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was in Monterrey, Montemorales, and Linares the week before last for four
> days on a work trip. We met with local growers, ranchers, and had a lecture
> from a political science professor at Monterrey Tech among many other
> activities. There was a lot of discussion about the drug traffic from South
> America and the resultant crime in Mexico. I think we probably even met a
> businessman in the Mexican mafia - - - something was really off about him,
> his employees, and his factory. Even the political professor admitted that
> the government in Mexico is very corrupt which I thought was pretty
> interesting to tell to a group of Americans.
>
> I think there is real danger in Mexico, but we were fortunate to be with
> excellent guides and had safe travels.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Amanda
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CaverArch <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but
>> I just received the following forward from my cousin. He was contacting an
>> acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter
>> ceremonies in the Copper Canyon. He got the following chilling response
>> from the person who used to conduct these informal group visits to the
>> Canyon.
>>
>> I have been to this beautiful place, and heard distant Tarahumara drumming
>> to greet the sunrise. The canyon and its people will get along without the
>> Gringo tourists, I hope, but this is a very sad way to get some privacy.
>>
>> Roger Moore
>> Houston
>> **
>> <<Hi,
>>
>> It is really too bad what is happening in Mexico with the drug traffic.
>> We lived in Creel for ten years but decided to move to El Paso. The
>> ceremonies are great to see but its too dangerous to go there now. Unless
>> things change I don't think you should plan to go. We used to travel all
>> over northern Mexico but things have changed drastically in the last two
>> years.
>>
>> I had to go to Juarez yesterday and had to get rerouted by the federal
>> police. I found out later four people were killed. Our daughter lives in
>> Chihuahua city and said there were two people killed on the streets
>> yesterday morning. She also told us they are detoured in different areas of
>> town almost daily because of the shootings. Its really getting bad, even
>> the local people are affraid to be on the streets even during the day.
>>
>> We still have a home in Creel, you may have heard about the the killings
>> there, it made the national news. Thirteen people were gunned down and the
>> people responsible say they will be back. The Catholic church has thirteen
>> coffins in the square with a large banner that reads welcome to the land of
>> death. The local economy has been destroyed because no one goes there
>> anymore.
>>
>> In the cities they are even putting up banners and publishing hit lists.
>> Even the bigger cities are like ghost towns after dark. Now they are
>> starting to extort money from businesses and burning the businesses if they
>> don't pay. Kidnapping of adults is up 40%. Over 400 people were killed in
>> the first few weeks of October. It's just a shame what is happening, it's
>> affecting the whole region.
>>
>> Well, sorry to get so deep into all that. We have family and friends
>> living with the violence so it seems pretty close to home. We used to have
>> groups of people come down but we quit taking people there about three years
>> ago. Its just isn't a good idea anymore. >>
>>
>>
>> Roger G. Moore, Ph.D., RPA
>> President
>> Moore Archeological Consulting, Inc.
>> 3511 Houston Avenue, Suite B
>> Houston, TX 77009
>> 713 861-8663 (R Moore)
>> 713 861-2323 (Lab)
>> 713 861-8627 (Fax)
>> cavera...@aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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invaluable research tools. And a fun read as well!
-- Jim
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From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:40 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor
<snip> Does anybody else who reads the Texas Cavers list own the 1974
Speleo Digest
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitario
This weekend i was reading a Texas Monthly article from 2004 about a guy
staying a week in the Solitario of Big Bend State park by himself. I'll admit I
only made it through about a page or two of this suburbanite whining, about how
scared he was and all of the noises and dangers of the desert, before I put the
article down. The reason I bring this up is the area sure looks like it could
have caves on it and was wondering if anyone as ever gone out there and looked?
I would assume so, but am a naturally curious person.
Thanks,
Matt
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Matt,
I was there in September 2007 with a group of hikers for a weekend.... I
didn't see anything that looked like a cave or even cave like... We hiked in
some of the canyons and they look a lot like the ones in Big Bend National
Park, only not as tall... It is pretty remote and if I remember we hiked about
13 to 14 miles round trip...
Bill
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From: Matt Turner
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Solitario?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitario
This weekend i was reading a Texas Monthly article from 2004 about a guy
staying a week in the Solitario of Big Bend State park by himself. I'll admit I
only made it through about a page or two of this suburbanite whining, about how
scared he was and all of the noises and dangers of the desert, before I put the
article down. The reason I bring this up is the area sure looks like it could
have caves on it and was wondering if anyone as ever gone out there and looked?
I would assume so, but am a naturally curious person.
Thanks,
Matt
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