texascavers Digest 5 Mar 2010 21:24:57 -0000 Issue 998
Topics (messages 14062 through 14071):
Re: TCMA Deep and Punkin Preserve
14062 by: Charlie Averyt
14066 by: Geary Schindel
Re: Howie's Harness ?
14063 by: Joe Ranzau
14067 by: Nikki Green
14068 by: mminton.caver.net
14069 by: germanyj.aol.com
14071 by: Geary Schindel
Info on Caves in Brewster and Reagan Counties
14064 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Re: caves in Brewster and Reagan counties
14065 by: Jim Kennedy
Re: karst on Saturn's moon
14070 by: Bill Walden
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High standard indeed. The property has come a long way, and I’ve personally
had many good times there. Thanks for your service!
Charlie
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Thomas,
Thanks for your kind words, it has really been a pleasure to have been involved
with the project and to get to know so many wonderful Texas cavers. I'm sure
someone else will step up and bring some fresh ideas and strong hands to the
site and it will continue to be the wonderful place it is.
Geary
From: Thomas Sitch [mailto:dreadfl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Cavers Texas; Geary Schindel
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCMA Deep and Punkin Preserve
Geary, you've been the "father figure" of Deep and Punkin for so long, it will
be hard to image it without you at the helm!
Thank you for your many years of service and stewardship. Your work and
cheerful demeanor have left me many fond memories, and I'm sure that's true for
all the other grotto members and grottos in the state.
~~Thomas
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What kind of news?
He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra
hassle of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort rappels.
Joe
On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
a TCR one time.
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I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
conventions to customize things either.
Nikki Green
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On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
What kind of news?
He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra
hassle of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort
rappels.
Joe
On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular
at
NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
a TCR one time.
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It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith's On Rope 1.
Mark Minton
Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com>:
I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
conventions to customize things either.
Nikki Green
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
What kind of news?
He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra
hassle of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort
rappels.
Joe
On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
a TCR one time.
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not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
Well, that's a bummer. Sewing is a dying art, and much needed in the caving
world to customize packs, knee pads, caving suits......maybe I should learn how
to use the one my mother left me......
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From: mmin...@caver.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith's On Rope 1.
Mark Minton
Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com>:
> I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
> stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
> Nikki Green
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What kind of news?
>>
>> He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra >>
>> hassle of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort >> rappels.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
>>>
>>> That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
>>> NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
>>> a TCR one time.
>>>
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You can come by and visit me or Becky Jones, we're both still sewing stuff
(Becky, a lot more than me but then again, I'll have more free time) LOL.
Geary
From: germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:15 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
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Well, that's a bummer. Sewing is a dying art, and much needed in the caving
world to customize packs, knee pads, caving suits......maybe I should learn how
to use the one my mother left me......
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From: mmin...@caver.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith's On Rope 1.
Mark Minton
Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com<mailto:thelogicl...@gmail.com>>:
> I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
> stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
> Nikki Green
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau
> <jran...@gmail.com<mailto:jran...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> What kind of news?
>>
>> He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra >> hassle
>> of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort >> rappels.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David
>> <dlocklea...@gmail.com<mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
>>>
>>> That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
>>> NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
>>> a TCR one time.
>>>
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Would anyone have any info on caves surveyed on land in the above
counties, specifically, the Stovall Ranch in Brewster Co. and the
Lockerby Ranch in Reagan Co.?
I was contacted by a kind, elderly gentleman named Guy Stovall about
some survey work that was done about 15 years ago on his ranch by some
folks from Carlsbad, according to him.
They left him a report, which he is looking for, and it was signed by a
caver who has since died.
He has a rather large ranch and he is on the board of directors for
Scottish Rite Hospital here in Dallas, who just happens to own the 180K+
acre Lockerby Ranch.
He is very interested in getting us out there, especially in you're an
SMU alumni, and this may be a good opportunity to look for some new
caves.
He stated that there are quite a few large ones on his ranch and the
group that came out spent the night in one and it had quite a few pits
in it.
I know that there was a Caves of Brewster County, printed by the TSS,
but don't know if Mr. Stovall's property/caves were included.
If you have anything or are interested in this, please contact me.
I will have more info on this and another caving opportunity at the
Convention.
Thanks!
Mark
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Mark,
The TSS has one cave in it's files that fits that description: Frios
Blowhole (BRE099). It is on the Pine Mountain East 7.5' quadrangle. We
have coordinates. Jerry Atkinson was in contact with the owner in 1995.
One of the notes in the database says "While it is possible to
hand-over-hand the rope drop into the cave's main room, it would be much
safer to install a permanent ladder or restrict entry to parties
demonstrating a knowledge of technical rope climbing skills." We have
the cave listed as 255m long and about 22m deep.
Only 3 caves are listed for all of Reagan County: Watkins Cave, Kemper
Station Cave, and Big Lake State Park Cave. It looks like some
wide-open speleological territory.
Jim Kennedy
TSS Office Manager
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:53 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Info on Caves in Brewster and Reagan Counties
Would anyone have any info on caves surveyed on land in the above
counties, specifically, the Stovall Ranch in Brewster Co. and the
Lockerby Ranch in Reagan Co.?
I was contacted by a kind, elderly gentleman named Guy Stovall about
some survey work that was done about 15 years ago on his ranch by some
folks from Carlsbad, according to him. They left him a report, which he
is looking for, and it was signed by a caver who has since died.
He has a rather large ranch and he is on the board of directors for
Scottish Rite Hospital here in Dallas, who just happens to own the 180K+
acre Lockerby Ranch. He is very interested in getting us out there,
especially in you're an SMU alumni, and this may be a good opportunity
to look for some new caves. He stated that there are quite a few large
ones on his ranch and the group that came out spent the night in one and
it had quite a few pits in it.
I know that there was a Caves of Brewster County, printed by the TSS,
but don't know if Mr. Stovall's property/caves were included. If you
have anything or are interested in this, please contact me. I will have
more info on this and another caving opportunity at the Convention.
Thanks!
Mark
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To Fofo and all,
With reference to phd comics! One can easily prove any two numbers equal. I
remember this from high school days ugh, 50 some years ago:
Given:
One can maintain the equality of an equation as long as the same operation is
done to both sides.
a+b=c Multiply both sides by (a-b)
a2-b2=ca-cb Subtract ca from both sides, add b2 to both sides
a2-ca=b2-cb Complete the square by adding c2/4 to both sides
a2-ca+c2/4=b2-cb+b2/4 now take the square root of both sides
a-c/2=b-c/2 Add c/2 to both sides
a=b
Beautiful -- right? Try substituting real numbers such as 2+3=5 and maintain
the format. Results: 2=3.
What does this have to do with caving?? It sure could screw up our surveys!
I bet the press would have fun with this.
OK where is the fallacy?
Best regards,
Bill Walden
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From: "Fofo" <gonza...@msu.edu>
To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon
> It goes something like this:
>
> http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174
>
> - Fofo
>
> Mixon Bill wrote, on 5/3/10 7:03:
>> Where do they find those idiots to write press releases?
> ...
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