> That's exactly the reason why I don't understand jQuery hasn't been
> made available as a plugin. There are already plugins dependent on
> other plugins.
The logic for incorporating jQuery in the core code rather than as a plugin is:
1) To allow the core code itself to use jQuery
2) To simplif
Thanks for detailing your thoughts after a thorough digestion. And
good to to let your passion for TiddlyWiki be seen.
I can understand your aversion to different non-compatible versions of
TiddlyWiki in the past, and do see the great advantage of the plugin
system. No question about that.
> Alt
OK, thanks for the prompt Wolfgang. I had decided to give myself a
pause to think, but hadn't intended it to be so long.
I want to focus on the jQuery issue, and hope that by addressing it we
can cover some of the other points that were raised.
>From my perspective, the key issue seems to be a c
> There's a lot more to say, but it's late, and possibly best said in
> another thread anyway. I wanted to acknowledge that I'm reading all
> this, and thinking about it deeply. I'll try to post some more
> coherent thoughts in a day or two, and thanks for bearing with the
> discussion.
>
> Best w
Hi
I'm just a user enjoying the fact that TiddlyWiki exists and I'm using
it for all kinds of tasks personally (for work and for personal
recreation :-))- lately I have become a little discouraged by the fact
that most(almost all) of the people I communicate with, use IE - They
don't see TiddlyWi
I think part of the problem with documentation is that the people who
really understand it all are the folks who are busy creating new and
fun stuff. And since that is the fun part, documentation gets pushed
to the bottom of the pile. Plus half the time people are asking these
really amazing quest
On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:25 AM, wolfgang wrote:
> I think this assessment isn't fair Eric.
I was aware of the respects in which my comment about documentation
was inadequate -- should I say, "inaccurate"? -- Wolfgang. Of course,
I'm aware, too, that it is an open source project.
There is a lot
Thanks to everyone for joining the discussion. It's wonderful to hear
people being passionate about TiddlyWiki, and caring about its future.
The frustration is also clear, but, being an optimistic sort of
person, I can't help but think that we can figure out a way forward
that meets the needs of e
> I would add one other thing that I think someone -- Wolfgang? -- who
> has more right to speak up than me -- the lack of documentation. The
> fact that an application like TiddlyWiki should have been around so
> long without systematic documentation of features, components,
> guidance regarding
On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Morris Gray wrote:
> I'm not sure if there are enough worldly wise people here to see the
> unraveling of a cohesive group taking place. An unraveling that can
> easily slide into a lowering of moral and dampening enthusiasm for
> both users and developers.
Probably
+1
I utterly agree with Morris Gray's wise words !
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+1 for this:
"[...]little applications as demonstration models for people to try
and see some of the advantages.
2009/7/8 Morris Gray :
>
> On Jul 8, 8:34 am, wolfgang wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your efforts to create consent. But if there is passion for
>> a slim, stable legacy TiddlyWiki - wher
On Jul 8, 8:34 am, wolfgang wrote:
> Thanks for your efforts to create consent. But if there is passion for
> a slim, stable legacy TiddlyWiki - where jQuery remains optional -
> developer will step up and your team can concentrate on your task
> without becoming unnecessarily diverted. I agree
Sorry to everyone with a short attention span for this long post. One
could also proceed to the last paragraph, to get the gist.
> To be clear, there have been three changes associated with jQuery:
>
> - the inclusion of the jQuery library by default; this is the decision
> that you go on to crit
> That's my main concern. TW version 2.5 can already be considered as a
> fork, since in this thread it has clearly explained, that a standard
> TiddlyWiki now serves 2 purposes, for TW users and developers - as it
> has been until recently - but also as a code repository for external
> jQuery plu
>
> Just my two cents worth as someone who I think has earnt the right to
> have an opinion on all things TiddlyWiki. ;)
>
Not that I would have earned myself any right to have an
opinion... ;-)
> Where coincidental or not it is my sincere
> belief that it is impossible to contribute to the Tidd
> It's also worth pointing out here that the relation between Osmosoft and
> the core-development team is mostly coincidental - it's primarily that
> way because no outside developer has stepped up to become a regular core
> contributor.
Correction. From where I'm standing no outside developer h
> there's been a lot of discussion over the years about the
> microkernel approach
Just to clarify: I don't think it was realistic to expect that end-users
would have to cook their own TiddlyWiki from various modules
While there might be some minor components that might be externalized,
the sta
Thanks for your detailed perspective.
> >> > talk about stripping TW to its really essential core, externalizing
> >> > what's not really essential to external plugins to choose from. It
> >> > appears just the opposite happening now ?
>
> As I say, there's been a lot of discussion over the years
> Great Idea, Fred. I tried only once to register and contribute to a
> media wiki, which was tiddlywiki.org. Since this failed I never tried
> it again.
I think we're all a bit sad about the barriers to contribution on the
mediawiki instance at tiddlywiki.org. And the dissonance between
mediawik
> Perhaps that's due to it being a MediaWiki instance, so we might set up
> TiddlyWebWiki there at some point in the future if that's desired - but
> I don't think that alone would resolve the issue.
Great Idea, Fred. I tried only once to register and contribute to a
media wiki, which was tiddlyw
> Somehow I was under the impression that some time ago there quite some
> talk about stripping TW to its really essential core, externalizing
> what's not really essential to external plugins to choose from. It
> appears just the opposite happening now ?
I think you're describing a sort of micro
> I'd like to be able to make the neccesary translation for the added
> elements - without having to to translate everything once again...
> Is it possible to get only those strings that needs to be added to the
> existing translation
There was supposed to be a diff, but I guess that didn't quite
> It's great to have upgrades to a program with so much devellopment and
> involvement going on. I believe it must be quite difficult to renew
> the core, with stepping on too many peoples feet.
Indeed it is - but that's just natural.
> I'd like some updates to the documentation [...]
I think w
> < var filePath = "js/TiddlerTweakerPlugin.js"; // relative or absolute
> URI
> jQuery('
> If you just want to dynamically load JavaScript files, try the following:
> var filePath = "..."; // relative or absolute URI
> jQuery('
Translation issue
I'd like to be able to make the neccesary translation for the added
elements - without having to to translate everything once again...
Is it possible to get only those strings that needs to be added to the
existing translation I've made to
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/associa
Suggestion (not a new one) : a new downloaded TW should have the same
search plugin as tiddlywiki.com
Alex
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> We've just released TiddlyWiki version 2.5.2 at:
>
> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
Thanks for the latest release and everything that went into it.
> Oh - I forgot to mention Wolfgangs MenuFlex - Which must be on the
> linklist - It's a showcase if any TW's are - on the great
> possibilities Tiddl
Great post Måns!
I agree that the links and help should be refresh. Personally I liked
the original TW page before the revamp, which didn't try and teach you
about it while you looked at it. It had charm in that it was written
by Jeremy, the TW creator. I liked that. Jeremy also wrote something
a
Oh - I forgot to mention Wolfgangs MenuFlex - Which must be on the
linklist - It's a showcase if any TW's are - on the great
possibilities TiddlyWiki offers - wellpresented and very well
documented!!
On Jun 25, 6:50 am, Måns wrote:
> It's great to have upgrades to a program with so much devellop
It's great to have upgrades to a program with so much devellopment and
involvement going on. I believe it must be quite difficult to renew
the core, with stepping on too many peoples feet.
I admire your effort in making TiddlyWiki fresh and new - and applause
that you have taken the radical step t
> If you put "<" into ToolbarCommands, a 'less' is produced when the
> toolbar is expanded
ToolbarCommands definitions now support the following special symbols:
> = more - menu items following > are hidden until "more" is clicked
< = less - hides menu items
| = line - visual group seperator
If you put "<" into ToolbarCommands, a 'less' is produced when the
toolbar is expanded
ALex
2009/6/24 Paulo Soares :
>
> Thank you all for the release.
>
> Can anyone say a few words about:
>
> # Toolbar command ">" now toggles between more/less (ticket #608)
> # Toolbar command ">" displays
Thank you all for the release.
Can anyone say a few words about:
# Toolbar command ">" now toggles between more/less (ticket #608)
# Toolbar command ">" displays additional commands on separate line
(ticket #608)
I don't see this working on tiddlywiki.com.
Cheers,
--
Paulo Soares
On 24 Jun, 1
N.B.:
Strictly development-related issues are better discussed on the dev group:
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev/
You're more likely to get competent help there.
> would the following work to bring a javascript into the current page?
> $.twFile.load();
> $.twFile.init(
Thanks for the update and the great service!
Now my question.
I noticed that the $.twFile documentation doesn't have the Demo yet.
Yet it seems to address my current need (http://groups.google.com/
group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/60fd809a5a8d5204). So, my
question is would the following wo
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