Morris, I only have a minute this time, I'll follow your links and give what you've said due consideration a bit later, but you do a better job advocating the system than any of the websites I've found. Perhaps you should set up your own.
I find discussions like this enjoyable, but it's not necessary in order to convince me to implement it. Still troubled by the details I mentioned- I notice that in typing you are using ' for degrees and " for minutes, whereas the other sources are using the (little circle) "degree" symbol, then ' for minutes and " for seconds. The program, of course, is going to have to settle for something... inside TW, maybe a superscript lower case "o" would work? I'll take a look... I'm thinking maybe a mask of "NETDEG" for degrees, "NETDEGMIN", for degrees and minutes, "NETDEGMINSEC" for all three. Seems clear, unambiguous, and unlikely to occur for any other reason. Coming up with a good delimiter to separate GMT time/date in the mask string may be important, it's possible that we have folks who are going to want to display/use GMT/UTC who don't care to use either the SIT or NET time systems, so it could have broader impact. And there's an argument for making it all one program... On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote: > > On May 21, 1:56 am, rtimwest <rtimw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > At the risk of entertaining lurkers while irritating the users who > receive this by email I shall make a few comments in order to get a > NET time stamp (including the date) for my journal entries :-) > > For those who have adopted .beat time I have no quarrel. It's horses > for courses and a personal preference. Although I wonder at the > mathematical gyrations it has created for anyone but a drummer:-) > > Dividing the day into 1000 segments modulo 24 sounds like some of the > weird math Andrew Wiles used to solve Fermat's Last Theorem. > Nonetheless I respect .beat time as a cute way of encrypting > calendars. However once one accepts it, it is just as precise as > converting 22/7 th's into decimal which is in very wide spread use. > > On the other hand NET time is derived from UTC which has already taken > wobbling planets into consideration. The numbering system to the base > 60 has stood the test of time since Babylonian days. It has a > mystical relationship to 12, 24 and 360 which serendipitously happens > to be the chosen number of degrees in a circle. > > (The French tried 400 degrees once, and even determined the > circumference of the Earth using it. But it failed to catch on with > anyone but the Scandinavians and nerds who put Grads on scientific > calculators;-) > > One can navigate with NET time since all charts use nautical miles > which are derived from the degrees of the Earth's circumference, so > there is a direct relationship between NET time and distance without > troubling with a 24 hour system. > > See how easily it works out that instead of miles per hour conversions > it can be degrees per degree. There's no messy mathematical errors to > contend with so airline pilots can radio their wives their position > and they can have dinner waiting when they arrive. There is a > relationship between degrees and cooking times so the wives can tell > just when to start the baked dinner (and at what temperature) from > where the pilots are. It's yet another serendipitous degree per > degree relationship :-) > > So to that end I propose that TiddlyWiki adopts NET time. We'll just > call it TWNET. To make it easy I have made a tiddler for TiddlyWikiers > to get started until Tim finishes our macro. > > You can see it demonstrated on the latest version of > http://twt-notes-treeview-experimental.tiddlyspot.com/index.html > > Since that may be but temporary you can get it here as well > http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#NETTime > > I'll just make a note of this historical moment. It is TWNET 086' 27" > 21-May-2009... everywhere! > > Morris ;-} > > > > > > On May 21, 1:56 am, rtimwest <rtimw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Morris, > > > > Thanks for the kind words. No amount of experience in the proprietary > > world of PL/SQL gives much in the way of tools to contribute to free > > software, I'm glad for the opportunity. The program itself should get > > a lot better in the next few iterations. > > > > > and zero time begins at an odd > > > place at a factory. It's awkward to convert and really depends on > > > everyone adopting it completely after an extremely difficult learning > > > curve which will never happen. > > > > Not sure I understand why it matters when zero time begins in any one > > location? > > > > > Then I discovered NET time. It begins at Greenwich and goes from 0 to > > > 360, The units are degrees which means each degree is 4 minutes long > > > so there is 15 degrees in an hour. That makes it easy to convert to > > > the old local time anywhere in the world by knowing the longitude. > > > It runs parallel with local time and is easily adapted to learn and > > > can be converted to conventional local time in your head for reference > > > if needed > > > > Interesting, I haven't run across that. I'll look into it, but I'm... > > not yet convinced. Seems that you'd lose most of the advantages > > of .beats (one of which is that it's entirely separate from the old > > system), but I'll study the issue. > > > > I'm sure we could bore everyone here to tears with this stuff. If you > > want to discuss it, maybe we should take it to e-mail? Mine is on the > > site. > > > > > Looking at your plugin it seems it could easily be converted to NET > > > time. > > > http://newearthtime.net/I'dlike<http://newearthtime.net/I%27dlike>to try > > > if I can't convince > > > you to :-) > > > > If I understand the basics, seems like an easy mod. If I do it, I > > think you just volunteered to test it. ;-) > > > > I wonder if it would be preferable to have them as separate plugins, > > or to have one that just adds more time systems to TiddlyWiki? I can > > think of arguments for both sides... having one cuts down on > > redundancy, there'd be no need to stack very similar code. On the > > other hand, how many people would ever want to use more than one > > alternate time system at once? I wonder if making one catchall > > program might make it harder to find (by program name or whatever) for > > those interested in one particular system? > > > > Anyone have any thoughts? > > > > > Speaking of plugins there is a standard format that is used that you > > > might have a look at. > > > > Knew I'd have to deal with that when moving from macros to plugins, if > > not before. > > > > > Also I think you modified the TW core with some > > > of your styling. This causes trouble because of the frequent updates > > > of the core. > > > > Nope. At least, don't think so. Not sure what "styling" you're > > referring to in particular, but the Internet Time program certainly > > does nothing of that sort. I added a few characters to the button > > label and button prompt mostly to aid my own debugging, but that's > > about to go away since we're losing interest in any particular > > application of the code anyway (fine by me, I'm a back-end programmer > > by nature). Other than that, nothing. > > > > I have a couple of other substitute macros that I'm using on the site, > > but they're just mostly just wrappers for the core macros, no low- > > level stuff. > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 9:40 pm, rtimwest <rtimw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I've got a "non-techie" question.. > > > > > > I did a Google image search, and virtually nobody's TiddlyWiki site > > > > (always excluding yours, Eric) has much of anything up in the upper > > > > right corner, title or subtitle areas. > > > > > > Is it just that there's no convenient (non-programmer) way to float > > > > something to the right in that area, or is there a real downside to > > > > doing it? > > > -- Robert T. West ("Tim") www.roberttwest.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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