[time-nuts] Looking for interconnection information for Spectracom 8171A clock

2005-04-05 Thread Carl Walker
Greetings. I've got a Spectracom 8171A WWVB clock, and an 8164 WWVB Frequency Standard, but am lacking the manual on the clock. I'm looking for the pin connection information for the 15 pin Molex connector on the back of the clock unit that receives the demodulated time code from the Frequency

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Brian. That's very helpful. I looked at the schematic and the cap they are using for LTC is 8uF that's simply put between the input and the output of the op amp module. I guess the question is whether the leakage causes any stability problems, or just a constant offset. Time for some

RE: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread wa1zms
John- I have seen the same effect on my HP-5060A. I had attribute it to leakage in the loop filter capacitor. Should you find that you need to replace that cap in your standard, you might want to try some of the very low leakage current caps from WIMA in Germany. If you're in a pinch I have a c

RE: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
If a capacitor is used for integration then there should only be a phase offset unless it is really leaky. The integrator is inside of a feedback loop, so that internal effects should be able to be removed - except that capacitor leakage causes an offset that must be compensated by more phase error

AW: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
there is some leak-current or offset in the integrating amplifier. Suspect the amplifier itself as well. Try to do the integrating amplifier adjustment procedure. Eventually modulator phase needs a little bit adjustment. Be aware that a instrument connected to control output could cause a similar e

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooke Clarke writes: I got my 5061A trimmed to the point where a 5 day run against GPS showed an offset of less than 1x10e-13. I then switched the unit into the long time constant mode and now see that the offset (over 36 hours) is -1.7

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooke Clarke writes: >> I got my 5061A trimmed to the point where a 5 day run against GPS >> showed an offset of less than 1x10e-13. I then switched the unit into >> the long time constant mode and now see that the offset (over 36 >> hours) is -1.7x10e-12. Not

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi John: My guess is that changing a time constant may be something like switching in a capacitor. That may cause some ringing that may last days to weeks. I thought of that, but the offset seems (over 36+ hours) to be pretty consistent without any sign of wobbling around.

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: My guess is that changing a time constant may be something like switching in a capacitor. That may cause some ringing that may last days to weeks. Have Fun, Brooke John Ackermann N8UR wrote: This is very odd (I seem to be collecting these sorts of problems) and I wonder if anyone else

[time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
This is very odd (I seem to be collecting these sorts of problems) and I wonder if anyone else has seen something similar. I got my 5061A trimmed to the point where a 5 day run against GPS showed an offset of less than 1x10e-13. I then switched the unit into the long time constant mode and now