Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: Don't forget that a PRS10 Rb from eBay and a Oncore M12+T from synergy-gps.com would be both cheaper and more stable. Why would it be cheaper than building Brook Shera's unit? You still need all the same electronics, but

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
Why would it be cheaper than building Brook Shera's unit? You still need all the same electronics, but a more expensive oscillator (I assume the PRS10 is going to cost more than an HP 18011A.) The data sheet for the PRS10 is at: http://www.thinksrs.com/products/PRS10.htm

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Don't forget that SRS has the free PC program Rbmon that talks to the PRS10, although it's listed with a different Rb product. 73, Brooke Tom Van Baak wrote: Why would it be cheaper than building Brook Shera's unit? You still need all the same electronics, but a more expensive

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
The SRS is actually looking more and more attractive I must say, mainly because of its size (the Z3801A is not small), and the long holdover period if I can't get a GPS signal - which is quite likely. I'm tempted to take this in stages, using a reasonably large box, giving room for a number of

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi David: How accurate is the pendulum clock now? How accurate do you want it to be? Have Fun, Brooke Dr. David Kirkby wrote: The SRS is actually looking more and more attractive I must say, mainly because of its size (the Z3801A is not small), and the long holdover period if I can't get a GPS

RE: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Mike Feher
Again, I am not sure what your objective is with regards to phase noise performance, but, remember that within the loops BW you will get the phase noise of the source. In this case the GPS. The phase noise spectral density will be modified by the loop's roll-off and then outside of the loop it

RE: [time-nuts] Difference between HP 5370A and 5370B

2005-04-26 Thread jim_johnson
Hi David, Apparently the GPIB fix occurred in the 5370B models only and as far as he knows, there could be some units out there with bad firmware in them and some with the GPIB fix. The problem still remains where they didn't change the firmware revision number so there's no way to confirm it

RE: [time-nuts] Difference between HP 5370A and 5370B

2005-04-26 Thread Daun Yeagley
Hi Jim I'm wondering that if we were to find an example of a known good unit as well as a bad one, that we could look at the EPROMS to determine any defenses and then clone the good ones. That would be one way to save David if he gets a bad one. Daun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera's GPS standard or HP Z3801A??

2005-04-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
The pendulum clock was what got me started on this, but I do have other test equipment, including a microwave counter, which could do with a decent reference Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi David: How accurate is the pendulum clock now? How accurate do you want it to be? Have Fun, Brooke Dr. David

RE: [time-nuts] Difference between HP 5370A and 5370B

2005-04-26 Thread Rick Karlquist
I remember back when the 5370B was being designed that there were three vendors who made GP-IB interface chips. All three were implemented incorrectly resulting in bugs, but the bugs were different. All three vendors refused to fix the bugs. There was also an HP made PHI chip that interfaced

RE: [time-nuts] Difference between HP 5370A and 5370B

2005-04-26 Thread Daun Yeagley
Gee, now you've got me wondering. I remember we used the TI chip for some things and Motorola for some others, but don't remember who the other was. Wasn't the Phi chip the HP version? I also remember that the HP 9825 was the standard by which all other 488 devices were compared. If it worked

Re: [time-nuts] IEEE-488 HP-IB GP-IB Chips

2005-04-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Rick: I remember that when the Motorola 6800 first came out (my first computer was a SWTP 6800 based kit) there were a family of 68xxx chips to go with it and one of them was the 68488. But very shortly after that it was common knowledge that there was a problem with it and almost no one

Re: [time-nuts] What are people paying for Stanford PRS10 rubidium standards?

2005-04-26 Thread David Andersen
On Apr 26, 2005, at 7:55 PM, David Kirkby wrote: Just interested how much people have paid for them. At the minute there are several on eBay at $475 from the one seller. Is that a typical price, or am I likely to do a bit better than that if I wait? It's probably reasonable. It's not a steal.