Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Chuck Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Poul, Hi Chuck, > I am quite aware that making a soundcard more accurate is gilding the > lilly. > > But if you return to the m

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, I am quite aware that making a soundcard more accurate is gilding the lilly. But if you return to the middle of this thread, where I offered powerline noise up as a reasonably accurate, ubiquitious timing reference, and had my suggestion refuted by a gentleman with a soundcard based spe

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Alberto di Bene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:35:58 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alberto, > Just for the sake of curiosity and to end this topic, I measured the > accuracy of another sound card I have in my PC, a Ter

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >No one has yet addressed the actual oscillator that is on board the sound card. >What are they using on the Delta 44? ... the Aureon Sky? I would have much >more confidence if they would at least use a cheap TCXO module. Using a tcxo for a s

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Alberto, My point in starting this whole controversy was that there are no adjustments on the sound cards, and the oscillators are just garden variety in quality. Typically, they are simply a miniature crystal that runs an oscillator on an ASIC. The accuracy your card gets is luck-of-the-d

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Just for the sake of curiosity and to end this topic, I measured the accuracy of another sound card I have in my PC, a Terratec Aureon Sky. A good card, but not of the same class of the Delta 44. But it was more accurate... 40001.5 Hz which translates into an error of 37.5 +- 2.5 ppm 73 Alberto

AW: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Alberto, > I don't know the reason, but my suspect is that there is just > one ADC, multiplexed between the left and the right channels, > hence the time skew between them. There may be some cards out there, that do it that way. But if you look at the specs of the better adcs used on sound card

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Ulrich Bangert wrote: >Because it is a differential measurement between the two channels (which >are sampled exactly the same time due to the adc hardware) the first >idea was, that the effects introduced by the not so good sample clock of >a ordinary sound card may cancel out completely. > > B

Re: [time-nuts] sound card accuracy and html in messages

2005-08-23 Thread Jeffrey Pawlan
I would welcome a means of providing an external clock signal to the Delta-44, if you are able to find out how to do this. I have my spam filter intentionally set to put all messages with HTML in the spam trash. I do not mind attachments when they are relevant and executables do not bother me beca

AW: [time-nuts] Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Tom, it isn't exactly the time to talk about, because not everything is working as expected, but since you started with sound card accuracy: Since a few months i am working on a project that uses a sound card as a phase comparator behind a dual mixer for ultra stable oscillator stability measureme

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
>>The list is set to convert HTML to plain text. That's what Mailman >>defaults to on setup, but I pretty strongly agree with that approach, so >>left it as is. >> >> > >Yes please, no HTML if we can avoid it. > > HTML is of course a vehicle of infections and the use of net resources is n

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >The list is set to convert HTML to plain text. That's what Mailman >defaults to on setup, but I pretty strongly agree with that approach, so >left it as is. Yes please, no HTML if we can avoid it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Alberto di Bene wrote: Alberto di Bene wrote: P.S. Let me please test how this reflector behaves when sending HTML messages... I have noticed a strange behavior in the past... it insists on reformatting the HTML message at its will... Here following there should be an image... let's see i

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: > P.S. Let me please test how this reflector behaves when sending HTML > messages... I have noticed a strange behavior in the past... it > insists on reformatting > the HTML message at its will... > Here following there should be an image... let's see if it shows u

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
I have measured the accuracy of the time base of my M-Audio Delta 44 sound card with the tolerance (and the accuracy) of 2.5 ppm I modified my program TCube for a sampling rate of 96 kHz, and set it for 40 kHz output. I connected the output to my 5328B (whose time base is driven by