Re: [time-nuts] Soekris Net4801 vs NET4501 as Statum 1 timeserver

2005-09-10 Thread Geoff Horner
Thanks Poul for the info. I will be getting the 4501 then. I would like a copy of NTPns. Is the copy on your web page current? I may end up using a FEI 5081a and M12+T I already have with the 4501. I can probably program the frequency of 5081a to what is required. I'm looking forward to the

Re: [time-nuts] Soekris Net4801 vs NET4501 as Statum 1 timeserver

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Geoff Horner writes: Thanks Poul for the info. I will be getting the 4501 then. I would like a copy of NTPns. Is the copy on your web page current? No, a lot have happened since and I'm currently actively working on it. I may end up using a FEI 5081a and M12+T I

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programming HP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
SRQ is definitely a pain, but is hard to do without if you're doing anything with multiple instruments on the bus; my current problem is trying to read frequency from a 5370A and voltage from the 3456A to plot VCO performance. Without the SRQ, I'm getting missing voltmeter readings. Daun

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programming HP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: SRQ is definitely a pain, but is hard to do without if you're doing anything with multiple instruments on the bus; my current problem is trying to read frequency from a 5370A and voltage from the 3456A to plot VCO performance. Without the

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: SRQ is definitely a pain, but is hard to do without if you're doing anything with multiple instruments on the bus; my current problem is trying to read frequency from a 5370A and voltage from the 3456A to plot VCO performance. Without the SRQ, I'm getting missing voltmeter

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programming HP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
Does it work, in a loop, to send 3456A commands to read voltage, get the response, and then 5370A commands to read frequency, and get a response? /tvb Yes, but I've been getting occasional squirrely values from the 3456A in that mode, possibly because of a timeout and without using

RE: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Miles
By the way -- your wait_for_SRQ routine is a bit different than mine in that you're testing for 0x800 while I'm calling the board (not the device) with the iblines command and looking at 0x2000 to test bit 14, the busSRQ signal. I'm using the linux-gpib package, which in theory mimics the NI

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: The problem is caused by modern computers being much faster than the ones available in the late 1970s. With the older computers, after sending a command the instrument had plenty of time to make a measurement and format the response. With today's fast computers if you send a

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Miles wrote: Interesting; I hadn't run across that. The examples in the manuals commonly show multiple commands in a single string; maybe the old-school BASIC controllers were smart enough to pause briefly after transmitting semicolons or string terminators...? -- john, KE5FX You can

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: In theory, the bus is supposed to handshake to avoid that problem, but that's not always reliable on the older instruments -- they will report that they're ready for another command when in fact they aren't. In fact, while doing this

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: In theory, the bus is supposed to handshake to avoid that problem, but that's not always reliable on the older instruments -- they will report that they're ready for another command when in fact they aren't.

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson write s: I think I have the uPD7210 datasheet lying around here if you still need it, even for verification. I would love to. I haven't been able to track one down and ended up using a summary condensed into a

RE: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread John Miles
The unfortunate truth is that GPIB is actually a pretty flaky thing. It seems there is always a certain amount of swing-a-dead-cat empiricism involved with getting any complex GPIB hookup to work reliably. I can't talk to my Tek 492AP SA unless I turn on the 8566B or the 8657A that shares its

[time-nuts] WWV/WWVH reception conditions

2005-09-10 Thread Tim Shoppa
For those who like to keep tabs on WWV and WWVH (note, this is not WWVB!) reception conditions on the East Coast, I have been maintaining http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/wwv/ for the past couple of years. This charts the usability (roughly measured as the (S+N)/N of the per-minute beep

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Miles writes: The unfortunate truth is that GPIB is actually a pretty flaky thing. It seems there is always a certain amount of swing-a-dead-cat empiricism involved with getting any complex GPIB hookup to work reliably. I can't talk to my Tek 492AP SA unless I

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Takayuki Hosoda writes: How do you do. I'm new to time-nuts. How about take a look on National Instruments' NAT7210 Reference manual which is upward compatible to NEC uPD7210. Yes, I have that already, but since I have the orginal uPD7210 chip, that helps me less

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: Just look in the HP5370B service manual and you see that the GPIB interface is passive (i.e. TTL chips rather than LSI chip). It may not be the marvel of modernism. Some of the smaller devices, like the VHF switches, the entire GPIB

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:16:59 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: Just look in the HP5370B service manual and

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: This is less of a problem with modern CMOS based interface chips. Actually, there you end up in another problem, you power the box through the protection diodes which you really must have for CMOS. So it is really not so much better, just

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experienceprogrammingHP3456A? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:26:57 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: This is less of a problem with modern CMOS

Re: [time-nuts] Off the wall: anyone with experience programmingHP3456A?

2005-09-10 Thread Javier
Hi, Poul, I've the datasheet for the uPD7210 in my 1983/84 Nec Microcomputers Handbook. If you need it, I can scan it for you. Regards, Javier Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Are you 100% sure this is a problem on the 5370B ? I've spent a lot of time with my logic analyzer while implementing