Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Shoppa) Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brooke Clarke wrote: Astronomical methods, such as sundials might

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Shoppa) Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Hawkins writes: Not to mention the equipment that synchronizes the power grid to UTC, seamlessly integrating leap seconds. So far the existence of such equipment in contemporary power grids is not really proven, is it ? I know they try to hold the frequency

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:52:59 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning, Even better, pulsars. They have a period that is usually the same order of magnitude as a

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: However, it may be stable enought for tau in the range of 1 Ms to 1Gs or so, and that is still usefull. Ohh, absolutely. But how would we know ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:21:39 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writes: However, it may be stable enought for tau in the

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Tom
we could check it against the sundial !! tom w0kgw - Original Message - From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Magnus Danielson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Tim Shoppa
Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pulsars were considered for timekeeping several times in the past, and in every instance the winning argument was You want to base our timekeeping on some cosmic phenomena we don't even know what is ?. Well, look at how dependent NTP and navigation

[time-nuts] DoD Plan Calls For Taking GPS Away From USAF

2006-01-17 Thread RMelkers
Defense News January 16, 2006 DoD Plan Calls For Taking GPS Away From USAF By Michael Fabey To counter what they view as the U.S. Air Force's weak commitment to space programs, some Pentagon officials are proposing shifting oversight of the Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite navigation

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread David Forbes
At 6:40 PM +0100 1/17/06, Magnus Danielson wrote: But besides that, pulsars are cool. Since the planet is orbiting, a few pulsar needs to be continously measured and compensation needs to be performed for the rotation. Isn't those used for monitoring the UTC deviations in VLBI? Cheers, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Shoppa) Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:20:40 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pulsars were considered for timekeeping several times in the past, and

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:50:58 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 6:40 PM +0100 1/17/06, Magnus Danielson wrote: But besides that, pulsars are cool. Since the planet is

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:50:19 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hal, I'm gonna babble some here, so the real collectors can correct me and point out all the nitty gritty details

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Warner Losh
I don't know the details, but it is reasnoble that the GPS reference stations positions in WGS-84 will keep the GPS coordinate system locked correctly. Time to read-up on the WGS-84 coordinate system and its relations to time- scales again. They do relate one way or the other. The formulas to

Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software

2006-01-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] List of time synchronization hardware and software Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know the details, but it is reasnoble that the GPS reference stations positions in WGS-84 will

[time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-17 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:42:51 -0800, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice set of questions. You can find more info if you hunt around my website: http://www.LeapSecond.com My very rough guess is that used Rb are available for $100 to $500 and used Cs are available for $500 to $2500.