Re: [time-nuts] Some More Questions

2006-01-18 Thread Christopher Hoover
John- If I divided this down to 1 PPS, would it be a better timing reference than the GPS receiver? The best idea is to use the 1 PPS to discipline (phase lock) the 10MHz OXCO in your counter. A couple starting points for homebrew solutions: Brooks Shera's circuit

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
The timing accuracy is ± 100 nanosecond (1 sigma) and is available only when valid position fixes are being reported. Repeatability checks of 10 sets of 100 one second samples taken over a period of 20 minutes showed an average variation of approximately 100 nanoseconds (not allowing for SA).

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-18 Thread James Maynard
Neon John wrote: Next question. I have a 70s vintage HP ovenized 10 mhz frequency standard like the one that they sold as an OEM item and as used in some counters. It's in the oversized metal relay can. I'd have to open the case to get the model number but I do recall the -01 option, high

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-18 Thread David Forbes
At 6:11 AM -0800 1/18/06, Tom Van Baak wrote: Next, I really want one of David Forbes' CRT clocks! I sent Dave an email asking if he's planning on making any more but I haven't heard back. (you lurking here, Dave?) Anyone have one in good condition he'd like to part with? Prefer the

Re: [time-nuts] Some More Questions

2006-01-18 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:03:37 -0800, Christopher Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John- If I divided this down to 1 PPS, would it be a better timing reference than the GPS receiver? The best idea is to use the 1 PPS to discipline (phase lock) the 10MHz OXCO in your counter. A couple starting

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Nolan
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:17:31AM -0700, David Forbes wrote: Our need for accurate time/frequency is: 1) Local oscillator frequency +/-1kHz at several hundred GigaHertz; 2) Time correct to +/-10 milliseconds to keep the telescope pointed correctly. I suppose it would make a lot more sense

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-18 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:19:03 -0700, David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 6:11 AM -0800 1/18/06, Tom Van Baak wrote: Next, I really want one of David Forbes' CRT clocks! I sent Dave an email asking if he's planning on making any more but I haven't heard back. (you lurking here, Dave?)

Re: [time-nuts] Some More Questions

2006-01-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John You might also look at http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/PRECISION/Reference1.htm Peter ZL2AYX On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:27:31 -0500, Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:03:37 -0800, Christopher Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John- If I divided this down to 1 PPS, would it

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Forbes writes: At 6:43 AM -0800 1/18/06, James Maynard wrote: I suppose it would make a lot more sense to run the GPS 1PPS into the Rb source so that it will discipline itself, and the phase error be monitored to make sure it stays at zero. Am I barking up

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread David Forbes
Poul, Thanks for the informative reply. I guess the short answer is that we should use a very clean long-term GPS trend record to correct the PRS10 rather than the 1PPS from the GPS unit, which has horrible short-term stability. I believe that Tom VB mentioned once that a daily update to the

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Nolan
Hi, You should definately ask the VLBI people how to deal with the maser. You definately don't want to touch the frequency reference during an observation. They really do need the 10^-15 short-term stability. They can solve for pretty substantial frequency offsets (and linear drifts) after the

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
Tom Van Baak wrote: I should be able to improve the receiver performance some by ovenizing it. I wonder if it would be worth the effort? You can check this with a hair dryer. Measure the effect of a 10 C rise and then extrapolate back to 0.1 or 0.01C to see what the result of making

Re: [time-nuts] making most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Tim Natusch
I have recently been involved with VLBI observations between NZ and Australia. We used the SRS FS725 as our Freq. standard here in NZ. We can not afford a Hydrogen Maser as yet! The FS725 uses the PRS 10 Rb package but adds interface electronics that amongst other things adds the ability to

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Christopher Hoover
This is an interesting discussion and aimed directly at my homebrew efforts. How about using the PRS10 in time stamping mode where you feed it the 1 PPS from the GPS and use a uC to read back the time stamp and the GPS saw tooth to get the actual delta time? It would be easy to record these

Re: [time-nuts] Making the most of SRS Rb source

2006-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brooke Clarke writes: HI Poul: That's very interesting. How about using the PRS10 in time stamping mode where you feed it the 1 PPS from the GPS and use a uC to read back the time stamp and the GPS saw tooth to get the actual delta time? It would be easy to