Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 22, Issue 20

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
> Looking to get good colour photos of some of these > older HP counters (and similar offerings from other > manufacturers) in the pre/early Nixie etc period. Here's an opportunity to own an HP 522B for $25, including shipping in the US. The unit has 5 decades of ten vertical neon indicators each

Re: [time-nuts] Possible NTP server?

2006-05-17 Thread Warner Losh
> If there are any big problems with using the Cyrix CPU with FreeBSD, the CPU > is socketted. There's no problems with any modern Cyrix CPU. By modern, I mean anything that's a 486 or better. Warner ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https

[time-nuts] Possible NTP server?

2006-05-17 Thread Joseph Gray
I just came into posssession of an HP JetDirect 4000 Print Server (for free). It is a rackmount box that is 2.5"H x 12.5"D. Inside is a small motherboard, 5GB IDE drive and a power supply. On the front is an LCD display and a membrane-type keypad (used for setting the IP and navigating the menu). O

Re: [time-nuts] M12M Timing Oncore (tm) Receiver

2006-05-17 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello James, Rob, its a lot better than the M12+ predecessor I've had a chance to take a look at it... bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Saga

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Van Baak
> A problem that shows up every now and then is that the standard > deviation on a 500 second average is above 10 ns (typical is 9 ns). For > example here is some data all this morning (17 May 06): > Time Interval (ps) time sigma > 975803 04:49:20 9 > 969817

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 22, Issue 20

2006-05-17 Thread Christopher Hoover
> Looking to get good colour photos of some of these > older HP counters (and similar offerings from other > manufacturers) in the pre/early Nixie etc period. Much of that kind of material is in Agilent's archive. I think the Agilent research library (in Palo Alto, CA) might be of some help. T

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting Patent

2006-05-17 Thread Normand Martel
Hi... I remember having seen an interesting analog counter/frequency divider using charge pumps and unijunction transistors in a watchmaker's mechanical watch adjusting machine. ( i don't remember the machine's name, but it is used to adjust the oscillator's (balance wheel/hairspring) frequency.

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Scott Newell
At 04:06 PM 5/17/2006 -0500, Bill Hawkins wrote: > >The other source of error is the drift in your PC clock. >NTP adjusts the clock frequency if you have an adjustable >clock frequency, as is found in Unix derivatives. AFIK, a >wintel clock frequency can't be adjusted. So the PC error I think it c

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
Joseph Gray wrote: "I knew SNTP was not as good as NPT, but I would have thought that SNTP kept the clock accurate to at least the nearest second. Obviously not. So, what's the worst that a typical PC clock would be off when using SNTP?" Truly, the answer is, "It depends." SNTP is designed to tra

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Joseph Gray
> The fundamental difference between SNTP and NPT is that SNTP does only a > period check and adjustment, so the clock can drift significantly > between polls. NTP on the other hand attempts to continuously steer the > clock, and uses a much more sophisticated algorithm to determine the offset. >

[time-nuts] FTS4060 Saga

2006-05-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The prior data was logged while I was not at the computer. But while writing the last email there was another high sigma data point: 978618 11:12:40 45 TAC32 is reporting that the M12+T is tracking 8 SV #s: 22 15 14 3 18 21 7 and 19 yet there's a bad data point. Have Fun,

[time-nuts] FTS4060 Saga

2006-05-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I've been comparing s/n 1227 aginst GPS for a couple of weeks and am within a tick or two of getting the c field optimized. I think the current actual offset is less than +2.2E-13, but R^2 is only at 0.2 so am not really sure yet. A problem that shows up every now and then is that the stan

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting Patent

2006-05-17 Thread John Day
Good suggestion Dave. It would be nice just to see some of that gear again! Of course, you need a darned good air conditioner if you are going to use any of it. John At 05:31 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote: >Looking to get good colour photos of some of these older HP counters >(and similar offerings

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting Patent

2006-05-17 Thread John Day
> >No, I have a HP 521C which comes with the HP 521A-59B crystal >oscillator plugin >module, but the HP 521A has it as an option. The HP 521C also have an >additional counting row and an additional step in the timebase. >Actually, you can supply it with an external time base of any of the >freque

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: John Ackermann N8UR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Joseph Gray wrote: > > I just switched from using the built-in SNTP client for Windows XP to the > > Windows binary of NTP that I got here:

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Joseph Gray wrote: > I just switched from using the built-in SNTP client for Windows XP to the > Windows binary of NTP that I got here: > http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm > > In both instances, I was using the us.pool.ntp.org servers. It seems that > the Windows XP implementation leaves s

[time-nuts] M12M Timing Oncore (tm) Receiver

2006-05-17 Thread Achim Vollhardt
Dear Rob, the NavSync has a timing accuracy of 30 ns rms, while the M12M 10ns rms, or even 2ns when using the clock granularity message.. That why I thought it is interesting.. 73s Achim, DH2VA > > Don't know about this one, but you might be interested in the following. > > > > http://www.timing

Re: [time-nuts] M12M Timing Oncore (tm) Receiver

2006-05-17 Thread Rob Kimberley
Don't know about this one, but you might be interested in the following. http://www.timing-consultants.com/images/NavSync/Nav-CW12-TIM.pdf Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James R Miller Sent: 17 May 2006 08:33 To: time-nuts@febo.

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Rob Kimberley
I would sooner trust my good friends at Meinberg than Microsoft. They have been in the timing business for 25+ years now, and are VERY well respected, and have a large customer base. Using two of their LanTime/GPS NTP Time servers here. Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Joseph Gray
I just switched from using the built-in SNTP client for Windows XP to the Windows binary of NTP that I got here: http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm In both instances, I was using the us.pool.ntp.org servers. It seems that the Windows XP implementation leaves something to be desired. The new

[time-nuts] M12M Timing Oncore (tm) Receiver

2006-05-17 Thread James R Miller
Folks, Strolling with Steve Bible and Achim Volhardt I stumbled across this: http://www.synergy-gps.com/images/stories/pdf/m12m%20timing%20prelim%20v11.pdf Is it still under the radar? Or has it been evaluated? -- == James R Miller Cambridge, England ==