Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distantlocations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Rex
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:43:36 +0200 (CEST), Magnus Danielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Never the less I live in a >house which have "earthquake damages", but if you live in the homecountry of >Alfred Nobel, you have to accept that they use alot of dynamite when rebuilding >the local center. I wa

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distantlocations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Tom Van Baak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distantlocations using GPS and environmental factors Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:07:53 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And don't forget earthquakes. The last one near here, > in 2001

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Christopher Hoover wrote: >> For me the catch seems to be that they are packaged in a QFN-32. >> The pin spacing is 500 microns and the open space between the >> solder pads is only 200 microns. Perhaps I am too timid but this >> sounds like trouble for manual soldering, that's assuming the low >

Re: [time-nuts] linear interpolators and itty bitty soldering

2006-06-30 Thread Christopher Hoover
Randy Warner wrote: > P.S. I hope I never have to do this with lead-free solder. You and me both. The wetability of some of the ROHS parts is bad enough. -ch ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Christopher Hoover
> For me the catch seems to be that they are packaged in a QFN-32. > The pin spacing is 500 microns and the open space between the > solder pads is only 200 microns. Perhaps I am too timid but this > sounds like trouble for manual soldering, that's assuming the low > cost PCB suppliers could mak

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread James Maynard
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writ > es: > > >>Eh... well, not the antenna. :O) That you stick onto a temperature-stabilzed >>concrete piller built onto the stable rock. > > > At this point Magnus forgot to say: "You stop continental drift and ..."

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Brooks: I too got the quote on the GP2 and checked the ExpressPCB software package that does both schematic capture and board layout and it has a template for the QFN32 package. For comparison I placed the ICS525 template right beside the QFN32. The ICS525 has 1/4 pitch (0.025") but the Q

Re: [time-nuts] linear interpolators and itty bitty soldering

2006-06-30 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Brooks, another technique that works well with a bit of practice (hopefully not on $28 parts...) is to use a heat gun: You can get a heat gun for soldering online for <$30, or buy one at Home depot (paint stripper heat gun - be sure to get one with temp control!). Wet the PCB pads with

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distantlocations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
> > >Eh... well, not the antenna. :O) That you stick onto a temperature-stabilzed > > >concrete piller built onto the stable rock. > > > > At this point Magnus forgot to say: "You stop continental drift and ..." > > > > :-) > > Ah, thanks for reminding me... ;O) It's a bit hot here this evening. ;O

Re: [time-nuts] linear interpolators and itty bitty soldering

2006-06-30 Thread Randy Warner
Brooks, QFN's aren't that bad (you ought to try 0201 SMDs. Like soldering dust. QFN's are tight, but with a little technique they solder pretty easily. I am using a little QFN28 for the CP2102 USB-to-serial converter on my new FC Oncore Eval Board design. There are a couple of tricks I have fo

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Brooks Shera
Inspired by Ulrich's lead regarding the high resolution TDC, I asked the Acam US rep for a quote on the TDC GP2. As Ulrich indicated they are not too expensive: $28 quantity 1, $26 quantity 10. Sounds great. Temperature coefficient isn't quoted but it will be considerable - presumably can be

Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:10:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, June 30, 2006 20:49, Brooke Clarke said: > > Hi Björn: > > > > I don't think that's that case. I live in a small tow

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:06:18 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writ > e

Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution

2006-06-30 Thread bg
On Fri, June 30, 2006 20:49, Brooke Clarke said: > Hi Björn: > > I don't think that's that case. I live in a small town and hired a > local surveyor chosen because he's the guy that uses GPS. Maybe I was wrong with extrapolating the local situation to a global level. With the present dense networ

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writ es: >Eh... well, not the antenna. :O) That you stick onto a temperature-stabilzed >concrete piller built onto the stable rock. At this point Magnus forgot to say: "You stop continental drift and ..." :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX si

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: David Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David, > Also, note that you don't really need dual-frequency f

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread bg
On Fri, June 30, 2006 21:20, Magnus Danielson said: > From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant > locations using GPS and environmental factors > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0200 [snip] >> Can anyone point me to s

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread David Andersen
On Jun 30, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> H

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, Hi Stephan, > A number of recent entries to this list

Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution

2006-06-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Björn: I don't think that's that case. I live in a small town and hired a local surveyor chosen because he's the guy that uses GPS. He was able to use two GPS receivers separated by say 100 feet and connected with a cable to determine an accurate relative bearing between his total station a

Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution

2006-06-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hello Tom, > > I had a conversation with Sam S. from TSC the > other day, and he said that it's probably not > possible to get <10ns GPS accuracy anyways > due to the multipath issues, Ionospheric issues, > antenna survey issues, thermal issues etc. Yes, with a standard GPS receiver or GPSDO, I

Re: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distantlocations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hi, > > A number of recent entries to this list have mentioned topics relating to > GPS timing and environmental corrupting factors (e.g. Ionosphere, Temp., > Humidity, etc.). Personally, I am very interested in setting up a very > precise relative time between locations (maybe 100s of meters to

Re: [time-nuts] Some results of PRS10 and Trimble Resolution

2006-06-30 Thread bg
On Fri, June 30, 2006 7:44, Tom Van Baak said: >> Why are dual freq. receivers not used in timing instruments? Ionospheric > > They are. But only in the high-end instruments. > >> errors are almost removed. Surveyors in every small town on earth are >> routinely getting sub 5cm accuracy in real tim

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:02:11 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Ulrich, Stephan, > Thanks for the tip. And, also many thanks to Magnus for introducing me to > the concept of Time-to-Digital co

[time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between distant locations using GPS and environmental factors

2006-06-30 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi, A number of recent entries to this list have mentioned topics relating to GPS timing and environmental corrupting factors (e.g. Ionosphere, Temp., Humidity, etc.). Personally, I am very interested in setting up a very precise relative time between locations (maybe 100s of meters to 10s of kilo

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi Ulrich, Thanks for the tip. And, also many thanks to Magnus for introducing me to the concept of Time-to-Digital conversion. It is a brilliant and yet so simple technique. (Until yesterday, I blissfully believed that a fast clocking counter was one's best bet.) Accordingly, I did a bit of res