[time-nuts] Time Nuts in the news

2006-10-01 Thread Bob Raker
TVB's article was in the Harrisburg, PA Sunday Patriot-Times (page 23-front section). It had a photo of the Atomichron - not TVB's lab as shown in the link. BR ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/t

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of h...

2006-10-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dr Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : The Allan deviation of current state of the art cryogenic sapphire : oscillators is more than an order of magnitude lower than the noise : floor of these instruments. I'm curious. How much does one of t

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of h...

2006-10-01 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time > differencemethod of h... > Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:53:57 EDT > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Hello Ulrich, >> > > Ulrich and Said, > > >> the latest generatio

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of h...

2006-10-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of h... Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:53:57 EDT Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello Ulrich, Ulrich and Said, > the latest generation of TSC intruments (the TSC5120A for example) uses a > n

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of h...

2006-10-01 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Ulrich, the latest generation of TSC intruments (the TSC5120A for example) uses a new strategy: they use four ADC's to sample and cross-correlate two oscillators completely in software. All the mixing etc is done in the software domain. That makes for cheap hardware, and works quite

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time difference method of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Ulrich Bangert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time difference method of horology Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:29:52 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi folks, Ulrich, > Now it seems we have really created the universal workhorse of horolog

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer timedifferencemethod of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ulrich Bangert" writes: > >> Hello Paul-Henning, >> >> www.tmo.jpl.nasa.gov/progress_report/42-121/121G.pdf >> >> definitely uses no FFT but uses a theoreme from geometry to estimate the >> signal's frequency and the rest is a two dimen

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer timedifferencemethod of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ulrich Bangert" writes: >Hello Paul-Henning, > >www.tmo.jpl.nasa.gov/progress_report/42-121/121G.pdf > >definitely uses no FFT but uses a theoreme from geometry to estimate the >signal's frequency and the rest is a two dimensional non-linear fit for >amplitude and p

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer timedifferencemethod of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hello Paul-Henning, www.tmo.jpl.nasa.gov/progress_report/42-121/121G.pdf definitely uses no FFT but uses a theoreme from geometry to estimate the signal's frequency and the rest is a two dimensional non-linear fit for amplitude and phase. But i am starting to understand how a FFT might be helpful

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ulrich Bangert" writes: >> All the repeated steps of amplification/limiting to find the = >> zero crossing can be almost entirely replaced by a a single FFT. > >If dsp methods are a choice one can even do better (at least for simple >sines) as described by Mr. Gree

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time differencemethod of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hello Paul-Henning, > I would find two of the best Audio ADCs I could lay my > hands on. Some of these are incredibly good by any standard. > Sampling the mixer outputs at approximately 96kHz with 16 bit > effective resolution is well within the possible. > > All the repeated steps of amplific

Re: [time-nuts] On some pitfalls of the dual mixer time difference method of horology

2006-10-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I would find two of the best Audio ADCs I could lay my hands on. Some of these are incredibly good by any standard. Sampling the mixer outputs at approximately 96kHz with 16 bit effective resolution is well within the possible. All the repeated steps of amplification/limiting to find the zero cr