Re: [time-nuts] Locking gunn diode : Dividers

2006-12-19 Thread Df7it
Bizarre that no prescalers have been developed to work on the 3-5 GHz band... Well at www.hittite.com you will find many low priced prescalers for 3-5 Ghz like HMC251 (3-6,5) and HMC432 (DC-8) HMC363 (DC-12) and HMC365 (DC-13). They all are in the $10$15 range They also have 10GHz VCO so

Re: [time-nuts] Locking gunn diode

2006-12-19 Thread Didier Juges
Hittite has dividers (prescalers) that go to 18 GHz: http://www.hittite.com/ I have a couple of samples of the :8 that goes to 12 GHz, precisely to try and phase lock a Gunn, which I have not used yet (another long winter project that won't happen as long as I am in Florida :-) Didier Normand

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Brendan Minish
My original Question has sparked off quite an interesting discussion and I learnt a lot Since it seems that the Brooks Shera Project is not the optimum way of GPS disciplining a Rubidium Oscillator can anyone here point me in the direction of other DIY projects (or even ideas) that might yield a

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Brendan: It's my take that there are two aspects of the Brooks (no relation) design that need to be addressed for optimum operation: 1. the filter time constants of the stock design are not correct for a Rb oscillator, and that can be fixed by getting a custom PIC from Brooks. 2. the TIC

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Brendan Minish
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 11:05 -0800, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Brendan: Keep in mind that this design does work and that the above items relate to optimization not bug fixes. I currently have the Brooks Shera design disciplining my LPRO-101 without any mods and using the ADC connected directly

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Brendan: It's interesting that the PRS10 can time stamp the 1 PPS input with a resolution of 10 ns. I wonder how they do that. http://www.thinksrs.com/downloads/PDFs/Catalog/PRS10c.pdf When I picked up my PRS10 at the factory during the tour I learned that the 10 MHz oscillator in the

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:42:28 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Brendan: It's interesting that the PRS10 can time stamp the 1 PPS input with a

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Magnus Danielson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:00:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:24:42 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson wrote: From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson wri tes: It actually uses the CPU builtin counter, which will do for the purpose. They could have spent a little more and got better single shot resolution out of it, but I suspect they didn't see the need. They are limited by digital noise inside

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:17:03 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson wri tes: It actually uses the CPU builtin counter, which

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Hal Murray
Noise like the oncore sawtooth isn't always a bad thing. I was going to comment on that area... Thanks for the reminder. The problem is that the sawtooth isn't noise in the normal Gaussian sense. If you happen to hit a long/wide hanging bridge, the resulting offset may get past your PLL

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-19 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: Noise like the oncore sawtooth isn't always a bad thing. I was going to comment on that area... Thanks for the reminder. The problem is that the sawtooth isn't noise in the normal Gaussian sense. If you happen to hit a long/wide hanging bridge, the resulting offset

[time-nuts] PC clock comparison software?

2006-12-19 Thread Charles S. Osborne
I have a query. Does anyone have a favorite network time sync test software? Here's my situation. Being at a radio and optical observatory, most everything we do has varying degrees of time stamp criticality on the stored data. While I could get obsessive compulsive and try to get everything

Re: [time-nuts] PC clock comparison software?

2006-12-19 Thread Jason Rabel
For the 2K/XP machines, ditch the built-in windows time sync and get NTP for windows, also probably want to use their front-end app... It's free... I think that will solve a majority of your problems. It allows for detailed logging (at least the *nix version does).

Re: [time-nuts] PC clock comparison software?

2006-12-19 Thread Jack Hudler
I'll overlook the Windows bashing and try to answer your question. The architecture of the PC and Windows prohibits anything (except an NMI) from interrupting time keeping. Time is set in the Windows Kernel by the 2 user level API's SetSystemTime and SetSystemTimeAdjustment. The later is use to

Re: [time-nuts] Locking gunn diode

2006-12-19 Thread Normand Martel
While talking about microwave prescalers, here's a 12 GHz prescaler project for the HP5328A frequency counter by Bert VE2ZAZ. Thje prescaler is based on the Hittite HMC363S8G div. by 8 12 GHz prescaler http://www3.sympatico.ca/b.zauhar/hp5328a/hp5328a_prescaler.htm The page not only shows the

[time-nuts] Hanging Bridges

2006-12-19 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO
[1]ftp://ftp.cnssys.com/pub/PTTI/PTTI_2006.pdfHal Murray said: Noise like the oncore sawtooth isn't always a bad thing. I was going to comment on that area... Thanks for the reminder. The problem is that the sawtooth isn't noise in the normal Gaussian sense. If you happen to hit a