Re: [time-nuts] US considers shutting down Loran

2007-01-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Hal Murray said the following on 01/19/2007 11:12 PM: : From http://www.fcw.com/article97298-01-08-07-Web : : Norman said the Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions : (ATIS), whose membership

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)

2007-01-21 Thread Jason Rabel
Lol, thanks Jack... :) Yeah, I pretty much figured it would overheat because it couldn't regulate the temperature properly. But also I would imagine you would burn yourself trying to handle it since the temp is somewhere around 185F give or take. They also say to let the oscillator cool for at

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)

2007-01-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Jason Rabel wrote: Lol, thanks Jack... :) Yeah, I pretty much figured it would overheat because it couldn't regulate the temperature properly. But also I would imagine you would burn yourself trying to handle it since the temp is somewhere around 185F give or take. They also say to let the

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)

2007-01-21 Thread Daun Yeagley
Hi Jason I might have something for you on this. All this talk about the 10811's forced me to get off my duff and get working on two 10811's that I have and have been sitting on my shelf for several years (like well before I retired from Agilent in '03). One is a 10811-60102, and the oven heater

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup

2007-01-21 Thread Normand Martel
It's bizarre.. The oscillator is some kind of Colpitts but with coils instead of capacitors in the feedback path. (i don't call it a Hartley, bcause Hartley's use a SINGLE tapped inductor.) 73 de Normand VE2UM --- Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hal Murray wrote: Is it okay to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup

2007-01-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Normand Martel wrote: It's bizarre.. The oscillator is some kind of Colpitts but with coils instead of capacitors in the feedback path. (i don't call it a Hartley, bcause Hartley's use a SINGLE tapped inductor.) 73 de Normand VE2UM --- Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup

2007-01-21 Thread Rick Karlquist
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Some form of mode suppression is required in most precision overtone oscillators. Bruce I forgot to mention that the 10811 operates on the 5th overtone, and it is also necessary to prevent oscillation at other overtones. The mode suppression design takes care of

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup

2007-01-21 Thread Jack Hudler
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/1999/HPL-1999-6.pdf See page 2 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Karlquist Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:40 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup

2007-01-21 Thread Jack Hudler
DUH! You wrote it Rick! LOL! http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/1999/HPL-1999-6.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

[time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-21 Thread Jason Rabel
I did some Googling but kept hitting dead ends, so I figured I would hit you guys up for some help. I finally got my Shera board working (Thanks to James Miller for helping me finally get it going), and I would like to record the serial data to process later. Does anyone have a simple Perl (or

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-21 Thread Hal Murray
Does anyone have a simple Perl (or C) script to write data from a serial port to a file? Preferably something with no dependencies, but I don't mind having to install a couple Perl modules if need be. Most terminal programs have a log-to-file option. I tried the logserial program that I

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-21 Thread Jason Rabel
Yeah I think I kind of jumped the gun after doing a little more investigation... The board is outputting a CR and LF so technically the logserial program isn't wrong. I really didn't want to leave a terminal program open for various reasons. I might write a perl script later on, it would be nice

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jason Rabel writes: I did some Googling but kept hitting dead ends, so I figured I would hit you guys up for some help. I finally got my Shera board working (Thanks to James Miller for helping me finally get it going), and I would like to record the serial data to

[time-nuts] 10811 design (was Re: 10811 warmup)

2007-01-21 Thread Christopher Hoover
It's bizarre.. The oscillator is some kind of Colpitts but with coils instead of capacitors in the feedback path. The circuit is a Colpitts-type oscillator. The other elements are for mode suppression. The March 1981 issue of Hewlett-Packard Journal explains the entire design of the 10811