[time-nuts] Needed: Manual for Datum 9520-240

2007-04-07 Thread Bruce Lane
Fellow clockers, I will soon be the proud owner of a Datum 9520-240 desktop time display, and would like to find a manual for it (preferably with schematics). Any help? Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technolog

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Said Some of the highest resolution techniques for comparing 2 10MHz sources are: 1) Use a Quartzlock A7-MX - resolution 5E-14/tau equivalent to 50 fs at 1 sec. 2) Use the JPL technique: Measure the beat frequency between the 2 oscillators (offset one oscillator by 1Hz using an offset generato

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 4/7/2007 04:08:20 Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The Wavecrests are wonderful tools, but they address a different problem > than > what normal time-nuts usually care about, so they are not a given perfect > counter fo

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/7/2007 04:08:20 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Wavecrests are wonderful tools, but they address a different problem than what normal time-nuts usually care about, so they are not a given perfect counter for long term comparision. It is aimed at j

[time-nuts] XL-DC and GPS-DC Problem-Solving Issues

2007-04-07 Thread NE8S
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am currently analytically involved in solving two different problems with a TrueTime XL-DC and a TrueTime GPS-DC. Schematics for both would be most helpful and efficient but, of course, not absolutely necessary for a successful diagnosis and corrective action. If anyone

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic Needed for TrueTime XL-DC

2007-04-07 Thread John Day
At 11:38 AM 4/7/2007, Jason Rabel wrote: >I've discovered that trying to get any schematics from them is impossible, >even for old / obsolete equipment. But they love to comment on how you >should upgrade to their latest piece of hardware. ;) Why? So you have something that is way more expensive a

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic Needed for TrueTime XL-DC

2007-04-07 Thread Jason Rabel
I *think* the XL-DC might still have some current links on the Symmetricom site. I've discovered that trying to get any schematics from them is impossible, even for old / obsolete equipment. But they love to comment on how you should upgrade to their latest piece of hardware. ;) Do you have a spe

Re: [time-nuts] GPS ADEV?

2007-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Van Baak" writes: >Now, at much larger tau I would expect the three lines >to merge as something else becomes the limiting factor, >but that's well over tau 10^6 seconds. Actually, it's already about 2e5 seconds where the repetition pattern of GPS satellites t

Re: [time-nuts] GPS ADEV?

2007-04-07 Thread bg
On Sat, April 7, 2007 13:08, Tom Van Baak said: > Improving the Performance of Low Cost GPS Timing Receivers > ftp://ftp.cnssys.com/pub/PTTI/PTTI_2006.pdf > > You'll see the nice plot comparing h/w and s/w on page 15. > They also did a linearity test. Good paper; read it all. How about GPS Adev u

Re: [time-nuts] GPS ADEV?

2007-04-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Tom > > Is there anyway that you can derive the same plot for an M12+ receiver > with post facto (software) sawtooth correction? > It should be marginally better than a CNS II. Hardware correction always > adds some noise. Some of the Dallas programmable delay chips used in the > CNS II are n

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, April 7, 2007 8:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > BTW: not sure why these units are not so popular on this list, they have > > picoseco

Re: [time-nuts] GPS ADEV?

2007-04-07 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: > John, > > I like the questions you ask. Here's an updated plot: > > http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/3gps/gps-adev.gif > > Note that the tau 1 second Allan deviation is essentially > the standard deviation of the sawtooth: in the graph the > VP is about 55 ns, CNS about 15 ns,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS ADEV?

2007-04-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
John, I like the questions you ask. Here's an updated plot: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/3gps/gps-adev.gif Note that the tau 1 second Allan deviation is essentially the standard deviation of the sawtooth: in the graph the VP is about 55 ns, CNS about 15 ns, CNS2 about 3 ns. (CNS is an M12+; t

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/7/2007 00:00:25 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the only "time-nut visit" I have done, the nut was VERY proud of his Wavecrest! You do not think the userbase is limited by pricelevel and availability? Hi Bjoern, there is one on Ebay today for $9

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread bg
On Sat, April 7, 2007 8:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > BTW: not sure why these units are not so popular on this list, they have > picosecond cable-length measurement which is fantastic to measure Antenna [...] On the only "time-nut visit" I have done, the nut was VERY proud of his Wavecrest! You