Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-28 Thread Rob Kimberley
I've been involved with importing and exporting electronic goods including Rb and OCXO from the US for more years than I care to remember. Unless things have been tightened up radically recently, all that was required on most of these items is an End User Statement - i.e. a record of where the good

[time-nuts] FW: HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-28 Thread Joe \(K9HDE\)
Rick, I would like one. Do you accept PayPal? Or let me have your address so I can send you a check. Thanks, Joe, K9HDE >Due to the high level of interest, I may need to >limit the oscillators to one per person. I will be >getting the oscillators out of storage today and >will try to make

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bill, > You have a cannon aimed at 45 degrees into the sky, for > maximum altitude. You fire the cannon, but the projectile > falls back to Earth. So you increase the amount of gunpowder > (propellant) which causes the projectile to fall to the Earth > farther away. You keep increasing the pro

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Arnold, let us make one of the big experiments in physics and switch gravity off. In the moment that we do so we see the satellite move away along a straight line which is tangential to earth's surface. That is: Without the presence of an force the satellite keeps its velocity AND its direction as

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Didier, > I am in good company :-) No, you are not, because "centripetal" forces have the opposite direction of "centrifugal". In fact, your NASA statement is exactly what I am claiming too: Gravity IS the centripetal force for the satellite's motion and clearly a centripetal force is necessary t

[time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich, I am quite familiar with the cannon analogy. If I may use this analogy too, please consider the following: There must be a force balancing the force of gravity, otherwise the satellite would not cease from accelerating under gravity alone. Gravity exerts a force on the satellite which

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Didier Juges > Gesendet: Montag, 28. Mai 2007 13:53 > An: time-nuts@febo.com > Betreff: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity > > > Ulrich, > > I am quite familiar with the c

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Didier, let us consider the more easier case of an linear motion. Imagine an body that can glide on an surface without any friction. Now you take a finger of your hand and press it on one side of the body so that it moves horizontally. Clearly your finger exercises an force on the body that makes

[time-nuts] R: Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-28 Thread gianfranco.albis
I have also (in my mess)a manual of the 10514A mixer dated 1966. I'm try to search and if you are interested I can send to you a pdf copy. Let me known. Hi Gianfranco IZ1ICI -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Magnus Danielson Inviato: domenic

Re: [time-nuts] Quantity of HP E1938 oscillators = ~37

2007-05-28 Thread Mark Allwright
Hi Rick. I would be interested in one; I am in Canada. If all else fails I could give you an address in the US where I can fetch it. Regards. Mark. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Karlquist Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:42 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich, Your comparison with the linear motion is not valid. While you push the body, it accelerates. The energy spent giving the body increased speed (due to the excess force applied to the body while there is no counter force) is stored in kinetic energy. Once you stop pushing, the body moves st

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Didier, > Since you know a lot more about this than I do, I will accept > your statement that centrifugal forces (or more generally > inertial forces) are fictitious, but only because you insist. > As long as I can predict their effect and calculate their > magnitude, that's all this engineer

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
-Original Message- From: Ulrich Bangert Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:23 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity ---%< snip --- In case you do not believe take the next textbook and read it after. ---%<

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Arnold Tibus
Ulrich, I think I am with you, but let me see wether my simple understanding is correct: Assuming a object without sensitivity to gravity flying with a certain (high) speed across space approaching planet terra. The path of this object would be obviously straight as a line (as long we are not

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Neville Michie
> Hi All, I am still having difficulty getting my head around the gravity point. Now I accept, in principle, that due to relativity an intense gravity field will slow a clock. My problem is visualising where you will find this field. At the centre of this planet gravity (from the planet) is zer

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich Bangert wrote: > Didier, > > >> Since you know a lot more about this than I do, I will accept >> your statement that centrifugal forces (or more generally >> inertial forces) are fictitious, but only because you insist. >> As long as I can predict their effect and calculate their >>

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Ulrich, Didier Talking about forces, gravitational fields etc makes no physical sense if the observer's reference frame isn't specified. For an observer in/on a satellite orbiting about the Earth with their reference frame fixed with respect to the satellite. There is no gravitational field, wha

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Neville Michie wrote: >> Hi All, >> > I am still having difficulty getting my head around the gravity point. > Now I accept, in principle, that due to relativity an intense > gravity field will slow a clock. > My problem is visualising where you will find this field. > At the centre of this