Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > At drive levels below saturation, the loss of a mixer depends on the LO > signal level. > Consequently the feedback loop gain of a regenerative divider depends on > the input signal level. > Hence one would expect there to be

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY John Miles wrote: >> Am I missing something here? >> >> I always thought mixers were non linear by definition, and >> relying on that >> non linearity to function:-) >> > > Sure, a mixer is nonlinear with respect to the mul

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > Am I missing something here? > > I always thought mixers were non linear by definition, and > relying on that > non linearity to function:-) Sure, a mixer is nonlinear with respect to the multiplicative function it applies to

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY They are non-linear when considering the LO port, and we try to make them linear considering the RF and IF ports, that's what makes them hard to do :-) Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [m

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread GandalfG8
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 29/09/2007 23:28:23 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep, but usually they're not quite _that_ nonlinear. :) I'm used to thinking of mixers as linear devices, from the IMD/IP3 perspective. --

[time-nuts] HD drive clock (no, really)

2007-09-29 Thread Maggie Leber
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Department of Weird Clock Projects" http://www.misc.hackaday.com/2007/09/15/hard-drive-clock-not-a-lame-clock-with-a-hd-face/ -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP SCWCD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Yep, but usually they're not quite _that_ nonlinear. :) I'm used to thinking of mixers as linear devices, from the IMD/IP3 perspective. I'll build up the 4:1 divider from the Gupta paper as soon as I have time, and see how it

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY John Miles wrote: >> Did you experience the start of oscillation also as you went from >> +3 dBm to >> +4 dBm? The impulse may be part of getting the oscillation running. >> > > No; nothing happens until the +4.8 dBm to +4.

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > Did you experience the start of oscillation also as you went from > +3 dBm to > +4 dBm? The impulse may be part of getting the oscillation running. No; nothing happens until the +4.8 dBm to +4.9 dBm transition. There is no

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: Enrico Rubiola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:55:49 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Enrico, > I worked on low-noise regenerative div

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Enrico Rubiola
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Folks, deep in my database, there is this reference R.\ C.\ Harrison, ``Theory of regenerative frequency dividers using double balanced mixers'' {\em IEEE Trans.\ on Microwawe Theory and Technology}, MTT-S Symp.\ Digest vol.\

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Enrico Rubiola
Dear all, I worked on low-noise regenerative dividers long time ago. See my home page http://rubiola.org , click on "more journal articles" 22. E. Rubiola, M. Olivier, J. Groslambert, Phase noise in the regenerative frequency dividers (PDF, 670 kB), IEEE Transact. Instrum. Meas. vol.41 no.3 pp.3

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: "John Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A divide by 8 conjugate regenerative divider has bee