Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-16 Thread Hal Murray
> i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which > effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the > building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my > lease and enofrce;I asked), plus there are birds and squirrels which > would get into

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 56

2007-12-16 Thread James Maynard
-- Original Message -- >Received: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:53:00 PM PST >From: "Ronald Held" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: time-nuts@febo.com >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 56 > >My apartment is in a reinforced concrete building, not near the roof. >Many years ago I tried

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:19:05 +1300 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > > > > The capacitors' microphonic sensitivity may actuallyy be more of a factor > > here.

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread Bruce Griffiths
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > The capacitors' microphonic sensitivity may actuallyy be more of a factor > here. > Are electrolytics microphonic? Ferroelectric (X7R, Z5U,Y5V, X5R, etc but not NP0/C0G) ceramic caps are microphonic > > >> It still helps to have as low a noise as

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread Bruce Griffiths
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > the tempco effect of the series resistor may not be a factor at all for > typical OCXO's. > > If we take a standard 1% resistor such as the Panasonic ERO-S2PHF2R00 > (available on Digikey) with 100ppm/C tempco (that's a fairly bad tempco), > then w

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread Didier Juges
I think the issue with the series resistor is that the oven current is temperature dependant, so the drop through the 2 ohm resistor is temperature dependant too, regardless of the tolerance or stability of the resistor itself. As long as the current/temperature curve of the oven is predictable, t

Re: [time-nuts] Upgrading possibilities for more accurate, precise stable time system

2007-12-16 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Ronald: Have a look at the different time transfer methods at: http://www.prc68.com/I/timefreq.shtml#TT Since these involve receiving a signal from a transmitter you need to have a way to know which signals you can get in your building. For example LORAN-C and WWVB are low frequency signals.

Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer

2007-12-16 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: The HP 114 is a 1 PPS trigger generator with offset and was made for use with WWV, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/TF_rack.html The audio from an HF receiver is fed to the V input on the scope and you can adjust the sweep speed as fast as propagation will allow. The 114 time offset moves

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/14/2007 15:00:00 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> A simple RC filter of say 2 Ohms into 4700uF has a -3dB cut-off at around >> 17Hz (4700uF caps are getting quite small these days). That would take care of >> most of the 100Hz to 10KHz noise. >

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread Daun Yeagley
Sounds like you need to move! Daun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Held Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:17 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57 i thought of tha balcony option. Th

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread michael taylor
On Dec 16, 2007 1:16 PM, Ronald Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which > effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the > building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my The tiny mag mount antennas

Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer

2007-12-16 Thread Dave Brown
- Original Message - From: "Tim Shoppa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer snip-- >> Yes, it's interesting to look at the WWV signal wander on the HP >> 3586, >> compared to it's OCXO, and while listening to it o

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread michael taylor
On Dec 16, 2007 6:09 AM, Ulrich Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > over the last years I have been confronted with numerous nonsense and > rubbish technical ideas as part of my job. Over the years I came to the > conclusion that just for the sake of clarity it MUST be allowed to ca

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread Peter Vince
On Sun Dec 16 17:43 , 'Poul-Henning Kamp' sent: >Find a bird-feed where the top-lid is plastic. >Mount the GPS-antenna inside the bird-feeder lid. But take some precautions to prevent those pesky squirrels chewing on the cable! Peter Vince ___ t

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which >effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the >building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my >lease and enofrce;I asked), plu

Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer

2007-12-16 Thread Tim Shoppa
"Didier Juges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's what I meant I suppose. The interesting part is that the timing GPS > receivers don't continualy try to select the best satellites from all those > it can see, so other than eliminating outliers, there may still be some that > are not far out enoug

Re: [time-nuts] Unit of Fame

2007-12-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >, Doug Millar writes: > >How about calling the unit the "Borat"? > Doug Millar That would be a hard unit to use, because you would have to calibrate out any talent, of which your chosen reference has a non-zero amount. A much better unit

[time-nuts] Unit of Fame

2007-12-16 Thread Doug Millar
How about calling the unit the "Borat"? Doug Millar ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 16/12/2007 18:17:18 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my lease

[time-nuts] newbie questions

2007-12-16 Thread kf6pqt
Hi, My name's Jason, and I must admit to being drawn in by the fascinating article on Wired. ( if that makes me a dork, so be it!) As a kid I thought it was neat to try and set my watches and clocks to WWV from the cheap, crummy 1960's JC-penny all-band receiver , but was always annoyed that the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 41, Issue 57

2007-12-16 Thread Ronald Held
i thought of tha balcony option. The balcony as an overhang which effectively blots out the other half of ths sky not covered by the building. I cannot hang any antenna over the railing or on it(in my lease and enofrce;I asked), plus there are birds and squirrels which would get into it. Any other

Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer

2007-12-16 Thread Didier Juges
Tim, > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:29 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer > > "Didier Juges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would have thought the G

Re: [time-nuts] Time Transfer

2007-12-16 Thread Tim Shoppa
"Didier Juges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would have thought the GPS receiver averages the readings when it locks on > multiple satellites. Are you saying it only uses one at a time? Average is perhaps too simple of a word. The good GPS receivers (here I'm assuming we aren't talking about Tri

Re: [time-nuts] re low noise regulators

2007-12-16 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gentlemen, over the last years I have been confronted with numerous nonsense and rubbish technical ideas as part of my job. Over the years I came to the conclusion that just for the sake of clarity it MUST be allowed to call them "nonsense" and "rubbish" without applying any political or other cor