Re: [time-nuts] FE5680 PINOUT

2008-12-20 Thread Peter Vince
Hi Ernie, The KO4BB repository has a manual for Option 2 of the 5680A. This might not be exactly the same as the one you have, but should hopefully at least use the same pinout. Regards, Peter On Fri Dec 19 15:06 , erniepe...@aol.com sent: Hi Gents, Having a Fe5680

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680 PINOUT

2008-12-20 Thread ernieperes
Hi Peter, Thanks for the info, in the mean time got additional docs, now need more time to play with it. Best regards and Marry Xmas, Ernie. -Original Message- From: Peter Vince pvi...@theiet.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sat,

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Michael Baker
Hello, TimeNutters-- John Miles, KE5FX wrote: Well, sure, it's more accurate than the undisciplined OCXO in the counter, that's the idea behind the Thunderbolt. :) n3...@aol.com wrote: I just wanted to ask the group if the Thunderbolt would be more accurate than the internal reference?

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Michael Baker skrev: Hello, TimeNutters-- John Miles, KE5FX wrote: Well, sure, it's more accurate than the undisciplined OCXO in the counter, that's the idea behind the Thunderbolt. :) n3...@aol.com wrote: I just wanted to ask the group if the Thunderbolt would be more accurate

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread N3IZN
OK thanks, I couldn't find the link for the thunderbolt. The Agilent manual states the best it's LO is 1 X E-10, (I think). I was just thinking expensive test equipment that was recently calibrated versus junk GPSDO that I salvaged from telco equipment. **A Good Credit Score is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Hal Murray
versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'd expect the GPSDO to be more accurate over the long term, but probably wobble around slightly at a time scale of a few seconds as the D tries to keep things on target. An equivalent

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray skrev: versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'd expect the GPSDO to be more accurate over the long term, but probably wobble around slightly at a time scale of a few seconds as the D tries to keep things

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Richard W. Solomon
...junk GPSDO... . Are you sure of that statement ? The Cal Lab where I retired from had one of those junk GPSDO's that they used. The only difference between theirs and mine (that I built) was the 3 orders of magnitude difference in price !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From:

[time-nuts] GPSDO recurring Time Interval aberation

2008-12-20 Thread Matt Osborn
I've been tracking my Fury GPSDO (ROM version 1.21) equipped with an Isotemp OXCXO134-10 oscillator for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that the Time Interval (TI) spikes around 20 to 40 nsec everyday at 17:45 UTC (11:45 AM CST local time). There are minor spikes (5 nsec) every 2 to 3

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Dave Ackrill
Hal Murray wrote: versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'm glad to hear that the Thunderbolt is not classed as 'junk'... :-) Personally, what I want to do is two things. 1. Keep my PC clock within a reasonable

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO recurring Time Interval aberation

2008-12-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message unkqk45chmtca9aj54alqd3k24ctbf1...@4ax.com, Matt Osborn writes: I've been tracking my Fury GPSDO (ROM version 1.21) equipped with an Isotemp OXCXO134-10 oscillator for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that the Time Interval (TI) spikes around 20 to 40 nsec everyday at 17:45 UTC

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the comparison method. 4) Averaging time and other pertinent info.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths skrev: Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the comparison method. 4) Averaging

[time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, does anyone know of a fast fourier transform module or subroutine that could be run in XCEL ? Or a small program that could process a data set in a PC. It is a convenient way of handling data but I have not seen a FFT in the box of tricks. cheers, Neville Michie

Re: [time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Neville Michie skrev: Hi, Dear Neville, does anyone know of a fast fourier transform module or subroutine that could be run in XCEL ? Or a small program that could process a data set in a PC. It is a convenient way of handling data but I have not seen a FFT in the box of tricks. I

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the

Re: [time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Neville Michie wrote: Hi, does anyone know of a fast fourier transform module or subroutine that could be run in XCEL ? Or a small program that could process a data set in a PC. It is a convenient way of handling data but I have not seen a FFT in the box of tricks. cheers, Neville

Re: [time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Neville Ulrich's Plotter program has some built in FFT capability. Bruce Neville Michie wrote: Hi, does anyone know of a fast fourier transform module or subroutine that could be run in XCEL ? Or a small program that could process a data set in a PC. It is a convenient way of handling

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I suppose a good comparison would be: How accurate does the speedometer in the car really need to be and why. Burt, K6OQK From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...?? sniped... It's not that we can't achieve better performance, but if we

Re: [time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Alan Melia
Neville there is a Fourier routine built in I have used it for time sequence analysis. It is not loaded by default. You may have to check the dropdown menus to load it in (at least that was what I needed to do, but I am mean and running an old Op-system :-)) ) Cheers de Alan G3NYK - Original

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Edwin B. Walker
I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? Ed - Original Message - From: Rex r...@sonic.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:42

Re: [time-nuts] PC run FFT

2008-12-20 Thread Neville Michie
Thanks all, I had looked but did not see... I have found the function in Excel, now I will revise the subject with Bracewell and try to use it. Thanks, Neville Michie On 21/12/2008, at 10:59 AM, iovane@@inwind..it wrote: I've been using the Xcel built in FFT, and even under WinXP it

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If the quality of the gear does not match the specs, the manufacturer gets a serious problems so

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Brian Kirby
I do not think so. Most telephone company stuff is engineered to last 20+ years - it takes them a few years to recoup there investments cost wise, and the electronics are usually close to mil specs. Probably what happens, is they engineer a whole new system and all the old systems , racks and

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Lux, James P
On 12/20/08 4:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If the quality of the

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO recurring Time Interval aberation

2008-12-20 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi there, this could also be caused by a slight error in the Auto Survey position of the Fury GPSDO. The M12 does the auto survey over 3 hours, so you are limited to the accuracy and constellation of the Sats during that time period. You could try the following to improve your position

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lux, James P skrev: On 12/20/08 4:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt deliveries from Oct 19 announcement of group buy

2008-12-20 Thread Chuck Harris
Tom is just one guy who is doing this because he wants to help his fellow time-nuts... and to play with some of his toys. He tests every single unit that goes through the system, discarding those that don't meet his standards. A couple of months is normal, and frankly, we are lucky that it

[time-nuts] Old nixie tube displays

2008-12-20 Thread Michael Baker
Hello, Time-Nutters-- Jim Lux wrote: To those tinkering at home, though, this cycling through is great.. If you're willing to fix it yourself, and maybe have a hangar queen or princess for parts, or you don't need ALL the functions to work (never needed that knob anyway..), then you too get

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Thomas A. Frank
On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good comparison would be: How accurate does the speedometer in the car really need to be and why. Accurate enough so that if its reading matches the posted sign, you don't receive a ticket? Tom Frank, KA2CDK

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Or, certifiable that it was reading low getting you out of a ticket. The judge told me I could use this only once. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Thomas A. Frank wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good comparison would be: How