Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolts, time references, NTP etc.

2009-06-16 Thread Steve Rooke
If you can find one, a Truetime NTS-90/-100/-150/-200 server makes a good ready to go NTP server in a rack mount format. I have a NTS-90 which works a treat and is managed via a console link, telnet, or a web page (my one only seems to like IE with the Microsoft version of Java to control it,

Re: [time-nuts] [Mw] Efratom 10MHZ Rubidium FREQUENCY Standard FRS-C

2009-06-16 Thread Didier Juges
http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/05)_GPS_Timing/Efratom/Efratom_FRS-C_Rubidium_O scillator.pdf Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: microwave-boun...@lists.valinet.com [mailto:microwave-boun...@lists.valinet.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bynum Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] [Mw] Efratom 10MHZ Rubidium FREQUENCY Standard FRS-C

2009-06-16 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 16/06/2009 09:04:25 GMT Daylight Time, did...@cox.net writes: -Original Message- From: microwave-boun...@lists.valinet.com [mailto:microwave-boun...@lists.valinet.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bynum Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRS 10mhz rubidium frequency oscillator+ board

2009-06-16 Thread GandalfG8
Bill's connection info for Lucent FRS module, forwarded as agreed. Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 02/06/2009 02:11:10 GMT Daylight Time, w...@quackers.net writes: Much to my amazement, I did find some notes on the DB-25 15Mhz board pinout: 1 +24V 2 +24V 3 Gnd 4 Gnd 5 6 Freq Adj (this

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRS 10mhz rubidium frequency oscillator+ board

2009-06-16 Thread Rex
I posted this in reply to the original question in the Microwave list... What you are describing is not an FRS-C but a box that contains an FRS-C. I think it was some kind of Telco package. The box produces versions of the 10 MHz from the FRS-C on two of the TNC's and a 15 MHz sine generated

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRS 10mhz rubidium frequency oscillator+ board

2009-06-16 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Rex Looking again at Didier's email, and the copy there of the original question, I can understand now why I never saw that original request and why I really was wasting bandwidth by answering it here, it looks like Didier posted his reply here to a question from elsewhere, thanks

[time-nuts] Glass is not a liquid but has some similar molecular similarities

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Baker
Hello, Time Nuts-- For those of you following the thread on glass properties, see: Dual personality of glass explained at last Mike Baker --- See the entire article at: [1]http://tinyurl.com/mqsrjo [2]http://www.newscientist.com/ *

[time-nuts] Datum 9390 firmware

2009-06-16 Thread John Miles
Has anyone been able to come up with a burnable EPROM image for the new Datum 9390 firmware that's supposed to fix the GPS day # bug? Before I start delving into the phone tree at Symmetricom, I thought I'd ask if anyone who's received one of the new EPROMs has read it yet. -- john, KE5FX

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-16 Thread Chuck Harris
J. Forster wrote: Interestingly, I recently had dinner with an archeology professor, interested in the Etruscan period. She had just discovered a flatish piece of glass i9n a dig, thousands of years old, and believes it was made essentially like rolling out dough on a slab while red hot. To

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-16 Thread Henk Termeer
A better explanationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#Glass_versus_a_supercooled_liquidcan be found in the wiki On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: J. Forster wrote: Interestingly, I recently had dinner with an archeology professor, interested in the

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRS 10mhz rubidium frequency oscillator+ board

2009-06-16 Thread bg
My recollection is that the FRS-C is not very clean in phase noise. The document should have all you need to get it working. If you learn any more about what the mystery pins (11 - 25 on the DB-25) might have been for, I'd be interested to hear about it. -Rex, kk6mk I have an FRS-C running

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4a37ad7f.1090...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: J. Forster wrote: To me, it would seem that playing with a blob of molten glass in a fire, and spreading it out, or rolling it would be a more natural step in the progression of making glass windows than blowing a bubble. The problem is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 06/15/2009 06:08:58 PM: hi, the main point of the water approach was the high performance of water as a heat storage medium. Quartz, if one can assume that is what pebbles are made of, has a density of 2.7 g/cc but a specific heat of only 0.2 cal/gm C.

[time-nuts] Glass / Metal - it all flows

2009-06-16 Thread gsteinba52
Hopefully this will end the argument with a time-nuts flavor: http://www.msdlists.com/surrealism/images/full%20size/Dali%20Persistence%20of%20Time.jpg Jerry ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Chuck Harris
Joseph M Gwinn wrote: That is only 0.54 cal/cc C compared to water with a figure of 1.0. So water still has greater merit as a thermal buffer. Cheers, Neville Michie Yep. But it's runny. I have a modest proposal to combine the benefits of water and silica: We will use wine bottles in the

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-16 Thread J. Forster
A better explanationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#Glass_versus_a_supercooled_liquidcan be found in the wiki On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: J. Forster wrote: Interestingly, I recently had dinner with an archeology professor, interested in the

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-16 Thread J. Forster
Early glass likely did not have to be perfectly clear, but just to transmit light. Here is an interesting (if commercial) site: http://www.glasslinks.com/history.htm -John === In message 4a37ad7f.1090...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: J. Forster wrote: To me, it would seem that

Re: [time-nuts] Glass / Metal - it all flows

2009-06-16 Thread Don Latham
Dali knew: Time itself flows with time? Don gsteinb...@aol.com Hopefully this will end the argument with a time-nuts flavor: http://www.msdlists.com/surrealism/images/full%20size/Dali%20Persistence%20of%20Time.jpg Jerry ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Glass / Metal - it all flows

2009-06-16 Thread Javier Herrero
Of course Don Latham escribió: Dali knew: Time itself flows with time? Don gsteinb...@aol.com Hopefully this will end the argument with a time-nuts flavor: http://www.msdlists.com/surrealism/images/full%20size/Dali%20Persistence%20of%20Time.jpg Jerry

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Chuck Harris skrev: Joseph M Gwinn wrote: That is only 0.54 cal/cc C compared to water with a figure of 1.0. So water still has greater merit as a thermal buffer. Cheers, Neville Michie Yep. But it's runny. I have a modest proposal to combine the benefits of water and silica: We will use

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:05 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

Re: [time-nuts] test mailing from a new member

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray skrev: david.bengt...@gmail.com said: I've recently gotten an opportunity to work on a GPSDO at work, and so I now have a real need to pick up some more information on the design tradeoffs and approaches in a GPSDO. I've plowed through a pile of old emails, but it's difficult to get

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lux, James P skrev: -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:05 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and

Re: [time-nuts] NTS-200 Antenna Power Mod

2009-06-16 Thread Mark G. Thomas
Hi, On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:37:10PM -0700, Bruce Lane wrote: Fellow clockers, I just got done reinstalling my TrueTime NTS-200 network time server in a different rack. This required, among other things, installation of a new antenna on the opposite side of the house from where my

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:20 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature In a message dated

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
gandal...@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 16/06/2009 23:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: One might wish to be careful about this process. If the time-nut leading you to the temperature controlled chamber is named Montressor, and the first bottle you sample is

[time-nuts] Ashtech Z12 vs. Z12T

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, Has anyone done a detailed compare on the difference between a Ashtech Z12 and Z12T? I know the basic plot is that the external reference is inserted in place of the internal 20 MHz rather than being PLL locked up. So my questions are: 1) Is that it? Is this the only

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 17/06/2009 01:31:00 GMT Daylight Time, james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: Well.. When one starts talking about bottles and temperature stability, it's the first thing that springs to mind. And I just realized, there's another time-nuts relevant story (even more

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 17/06/2009 01:31:00 GMT Daylight Time, james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: Well.. When one starts talking about bottles and temperature stability, it's the first thing that springs to mind. And I just realized, there's another time-nuts relevant story (even more time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] test mailing from a new member

2009-06-16 Thread David Bengtson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hal Murray skrev: david.bengt...@gmail.com said:  I've recently gotten an opportunity to work on a GPSDO at work, and so I now have a real need to pick up some more information on the design tradeoffs and

Re: [time-nuts] test mailing from a new member

2009-06-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
David Bengtson skrev: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hal Murray skrev: david.bengt...@gmail.com said: I've recently gotten an opportunity to work on a GPSDO at work, and so I now have a real need to pick up some more information on the

[time-nuts] Vectron OXCO test.

2009-06-16 Thread brice
Thanks for the info Bob, It does work. I just got my TM5006 travel test bench/ Tek TAS scope, Are we sure that is 12v? I will check by case type but behaves as the voltage is possibly too high. Only 15.2 mA draw at 12.000v very clean waveform, good gain. I have not modulated it yet. Working on

Re: [time-nuts] test mailing from a new member

2009-06-16 Thread David Bengtson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: David Bengtson skrev: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hal Murray skrev: david.bengt...@gmail.com said:  I've recently gotten an opportunity to work on a