Bruce
4ma? Interesting, Maybe IF the Osc was running, BUT
My DC calculations of the present values I can read on Schematics come to 1.3ma
+ 0.26 = 1.58 ma load on the 510 ohm
With it NOT osc, which is almost the present case,
the Only Dc current drawn is.
1.75 V on 20K = 0.08ma (Q1 bias
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Subject:
Warren
My Spice model of the dc levels in the oscillator indicate a current
more like 4mA in the 510 ohm resistor.
Bruce
WarrenS wrote:
> I just saw your schematic of the rest of the buffer circuit. Sorry I missed
> it early.
>
> The Osc Vcc is shown driven from a 510 Ohm resistor, and with the
I just saw your schematic of the rest of the buffer circuit. Sorry I missed it
early.
The Osc Vcc is shown driven from a 510 Ohm resistor, and with the total current
thru the 510 res at under 2 ma,
Looks like Osc Vcc should be at more like 4.0 volts instead of 2.49 volts.
If I'm correct about t
Warren
I agree, it's certainly possible that the external circuitry should have
a higher operating voltage than 5V.
A crystal current of 50uA to 1mA or so might perhaps be expected for a
typical 10MHz overtone crystal.
Unless some non standard crystal cut with exceptionally high ESR is used.
The
> Thus one cannot arbitrarily increase Vcc without considering the consequences
> ...
True, but with the AC voltages as low as they are, I do think it is safe to
think that the crystal current should be higher.
I was not suggesting to arbitrarily rise the Vcc, I was asking any chance it is
at t
Attached plot of jump in my Z3805. Looks like there was a jump and
then then a rapid track back to the "normal" frequency drift. Comments
please?
73,
Steve
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WarrenS wrote:
> A couple more thoughts;
>
> Is the VCC (Red wire) current draw correct?.
> Should be 1.3 ma (per the schematic values) with the 470 Ohm and
> more like 7 plus ma with the 47 ohm.
>
> AND I don't remember seeing, IS the Freq real close AND can it be tuned by
> the cap and Green w
A couple more thoughts;
Is the VCC (Red wire) current draw correct?.
Should be 1.3 ma (per the schematic values) with the 470 Ohm and
more like 7 plus ma with the 47 ohm.
AND I don't remember seeing, IS the Freq real close AND can it be tuned by the
cap and Green wire voltage?
If both answers
You can estimate the crystal current by measuring the RF voltage across
the 15pF cap in the oscillator circuit and estimate/measure the varactor
and trimmer capacitors.
Alternatively, temporarily replace all these caps with a 33pF cap
connected from the inductor in series with crystal and ground.
3
Joe
You can always try to see how it performs with a cheap crystal, padding
out the ESR with a resistor to determine the ESR limit at which the
circuit fails to oscillate.
The crystal current doesn't depend strongly on the crystal operating
Q(as long as the circuit oscillates), so using a cheap cr
WB6BNQ wrote:
> I agree with Warren. The VCC seems way too low. Interestingly, noone else
> seems to think so,
> or did not notice it.
>
> BillWB6BNQ
>
>
>
It was noticed, but it is consistent with the resistor values used in
the circuit.
The crystal current is determined by the dc emitte
WarrenS wrote:
> Here is my two cents worth
> 20 mv output, sure sounds like something is broken.
> It should be fixed before it is modified.
> The 2.49 volts on the Red input voltage seem LOW, More Vcc maybe.
>
Not so, if the resistor values are correct this is the voltage that one
should get.
> Broken Ovenaire OSC 85-50
> J. L. Trantham jltran at worldnet.att.net
> Sat Jul 4 02:07:48 UTC 2009
> I did not realize that this post would generate this much
> discussion.
> While I have a BEE and MSEE, I am a practicing Cardiac
> Electrophysiologist and it
I agree with Warren. The VCC seems way too low. Interestingly, noone else
seems to think so,
or did not notice it.
BillWB6BNQ
WarrenS wrote:
> Here is my two cents worth
> 20 mv output, sure sounds like something is broken.
> It should be fixed before it is modified.
> The 2.49 volts o
Mike Monett wrote:
> > Mike Monett wrote:
>
> >> A couple of things. First, trying to measure the currents in the
> >> circuit with a ferrite toroid won't do you much good. You don't
> >> know what the currents should be, and the secondary of the toroid
> >> transformer requires a ter
I did not realize that this post would generate this much discussion.
While I have a BEE and MSEE, I am a practicing Cardiac Electrophysiologist
and it has been some time since I thought about such issues. I have learned
a lot though from the discussions and as medicine as we know it winds down
> Mike Monett wrote:
>> A couple of things. First, trying to measure the currents in the
>> circuit with a ferrite toroid won't do you much good. You don't
>> know what the currents should be, and the secondary of the toroid
>> transformer requires a termination resistor. The valu
Here is my two cents worth
20 mv output, sure sounds like something is broken.
It should be fixed before it is modified.
The 2.49 volts on the Red input voltage seem LOW, More Vcc maybe.
The "Grn" labeled wire, FreqCtrl input should be about 1/2 VCC for testing.
If you do 'need' to modify the ga
Mike Monett wrote:
> (This is a repost to see if I can figure out why the original was
> scrubbed. Sorry for the duplicate.)
>
> > An update on the Broken Ovenaire OSC 85-50.
>
> > I prepared a 'schematic' of the Output Board and the Oscillator
> > Board (attached) and I have lots
Mike Monett wrote:
> (This is a repost to see if I can figure out why the original was
> scrubbed. Sorry for the duplicate.)
>
> > An update on the Broken Ovenaire OSC 85-50.
>
> > I prepared a 'schematic' of the Output Board and the Oscillator
> > Board (attached) and I have lots
Hal Murray wrote:
Anyone else lose an 18x?
I assume you have tried power cycling them.
I lost one a while ago. Similar. It just stopped doing anything useful.
Battery failure?
The things I have been pointing to is to specific firmware bugs or
missfeatures. Doesn't rule out a whole line
(This is a repost to see if I can figure out why the original was
scrubbed. Sorry for the duplicate.)
> An update on the Broken Ovenaire OSC 85-50.
> I prepared a 'schematic' of the Output Board and the Oscillator
> Board (attached) and I have lots of pictures of the external u
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:55:36 -0300, Mike Monett wrote:
>> I'm hoping a lot of these problems will soon go away. I have
>> WinXP SP3 running in VirtualBox 3.0 on Ubuntu 9.04, and it works
>> great.
>> But it doesn't like running my old DOS programs. The screen
>> update i
> Anyone else lose an 18x?
I assume you have tried power cycling them.
I lost one a while ago. Similar. It just stopped doing anything useful.
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Kasper Pedersen wrote:
> I have (had) 2 Garmin GPS-18x fw 3.00 on the windowsill, one driving a
> homecooked GPSDO, the other just a separate pps.
> This morning both of them were quiet; There's no NMEA data coming out of
> them, no pps, nothing. Garmin's tool won't
Magnus Danielson wrote:
Unfortunatly I have heard a few reports of failures, one which I can't
disclose the details of right now, but replacing GPS equipment solve
the issue.
I didn't think this would hit me, and I don't know if it's related, but:
I have (had) 2 Garmin GPS-18x fw 3.00 on
At 1:13 PM + 7/3/09, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote:
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:13 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re:
I was to slow... ;-)
> Pretty much any Bluetooth serial adapter should do it. Running a cable
> would be cheaper though.
>
> http://www.iogear.com/product/GBS301/
> http://www.rovingnetworks.com/firefly.php
> http://www.aircable.net/serial.html
>
> -Bob
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on
> Has anyone coupled a wireless adapter to a TBolt so that it can be
> accessed
> from a computer in anoth
Pretty much any Bluetooth serial adapter should do it. Running a cable
would be cheaper though.
http://www.iogear.com/product/GBS301/
http://www.rovingnetworks.com/firefly.php
http://www.aircable.net/serial.html
-Bob
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, wrote:
> Has anyone coupled a wireless adapt
you could use remote desktop
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Subject: [time-nuts] Wireless Adapter for an TBolt
Has anyone coupled a wire
Has anyone coupled a wireless adapter to a TBolt so that it can be accessed
from a computer in another room. This would be convenient for me if it
could be made to work.
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