Re: [time-nuts] OCXO sensitive to gravitational effects

2009-09-03 Thread phil
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[time-nuts] OCXO sensitive to gravitational effects

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Putnam
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Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread Storer, Darren
Hi, the model of bias tee referenced below works well, with very low insertion loss, down towards 1GHz, despite the manufacturer's specifications: http://www.ohiomicrowave.com/things/hwe32biasteetranscept1000204C.pdf Item #270287524274 on a well known Internet auction site, lists the "Buy-It-Now"

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread phil
In a message dated 03/09/2009 02:05:20 GMT Daylight Time, brucekar...@aol.com writes: I bought a 3.6-V Trimble Bullet GPS antenna on ePay and wish to use it with my T-bolt. Rather than try to internally modify the T-bolt to provide a 3.6-V antenna feed, I decided to try to build an in-line dr

[time-nuts] Please disregard what I said

2009-09-03 Thread John Green
The more I kept looking at the data I was getting with regard to comparing the Z3801 to the Tbolt, the less sense it made. Finally, I concluded that I made some kind of fundamental error either in how I was measuring or there was a problem with what I was measuring with. The only thing I am sure of

Re: [time-nuts] Splitting GPS antenna output

2009-09-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Look out for "GPS Source" and "GPS Networking" splitters they are purpose built for GPS use, and are not limited to L1, like the Symmetricom/Agilent/HP family of splitters. btw 58535A is the HP 2 port splitter. A benefit of the HP/Agilent/Symmetricom splitters (and so

[time-nuts] More Z3801/Tbolt comparisons

2009-09-03 Thread Mark Sims
The standard self-surveys in these units leaves MUCH to be desired. You need to do surveys for 24 hours to help mitigate satellite constellation and atmospheric effects. Note that due to periods of poor satellite geometry, you can't just survey for 24*60*60 fixes. You need the survey to be

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread bg
Go buy an antenna splitter. That might even be cheaper than a bias-T. Its also a good excuse to get more GPS receivers. -- Björn > > In a message dated 03/09/2009 18:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, > warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com writes: > > Um is right, > One of us is missing something, I wonder

Re: [time-nuts] More Z3801/Tbolt comparisons

2009-09-03 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi John, With regard to the altitude, what I have found is that it is never close ! I have seen variations all over the scale. What I did here is determine, to the best of my ability, from TOPO maps what my altitude is and measure the height of the antenna off of the ground where it is mounted a

[time-nuts] More Z3801/Tbolt comparisons

2009-09-03 Thread John Green
Yesterday, I thought the Tbolt was wandering around too much. So, I did a factory reset and started a new 5K fix self survey. At about the same time, I started a new self survey on the Z3801 thinking that if they were both looking at the same satellites with the same antenna at the same time, they

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 03/09/2009 18:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com writes: Um is right, One of us is missing something, I wonder which one, I think I know. He has a good bypass cap across all that, The RF is not going to see the diodes. ws --- Ye Gods,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread WarrenS
Nigel Um is right, One of us is missing something, I wonder which one, I think I know. He has a good bypass cap across all that, The RF is not going to see the diodes. ws --- Um Not really a very good idea, we're talking about two silicon diodes in series with each

[time-nuts] SK -- Den Connors, KD2S

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO
It is with much sadness that I report the passing of Den Connors, KD2S at 2AM this morning. Den passed on after a year+ fight to conquer lymphoma. This morning, Ralph (KD1SM) reported "Den checked-in to our weekly Club information net on 70cm Monday evening. As usual, he sounded pretty ch

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 03/09/2009 17:04:50 GMT Daylight Time, warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com writes: Seems like a good idea, a lot simpler and cleaner than the other suggestions. Sounds like a data problem, I'd suspect your VSWR meter or cabling first. Maybe your VSWR meter does not like diodes e

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread WarrenS
Bruce Seems like a good idea, a lot simpler and cleaner than the other suggestions. Sounds like a data problem, I'd suspect your VSWR meter or cabling first. Maybe your VSWR meter does not like diodes especially if it is not running current thru them. And if you are running current thru them to

Re: [time-nuts] Crystal aging

2009-09-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Maybe! But for the sake of clarity: I have been asking how HP/Symmetricom manage to handle the regulation loop appearantly WITHOUT time constant adaption/switching and with a fixed time constant that seems to be much too high to start with for a cold OCXO. Best regards Ulrich Bangert One

Re: [time-nuts] Crystal aging

2009-09-03 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Poul, > This argument is utttrly bogus: adaptive time-constant PLL's > are at least 30 years old, and rather trivial to implement... it is a complete mystery to me how you manage to critisize ME for something that TRIMBLE has not implemented!? And exactly because they did not implement it my arg

[time-nuts] Diodes to drop antenna volts...

2009-09-03 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I don't know the particular antenna so I'm going by experience in similar situations in offering this this thought: It seems to me that you should be able to put the diodes between the antenna's internal equivalent to a bias-T and and the D.C. supply line to the pre-amp, out of the RF path.

Re: [time-nuts] Crystal aging

2009-09-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Ulrich Bangert" writes: >The true thrill is however one step more subtle: It first considers the >question WHY trimble choose 100 s as the default loop time constant. Well, >this one is easy to answer: Just set the time constant of a "cold" TBOLT to >1000 and watch the TIC value flyi

Re: [time-nuts] Crystal aging

2009-09-03 Thread Ulrich Bangert
John, > ...I was amazed to find that the difference between the > two is actually very easy to see. A 50 nsec. drift over 30 > minutes. Funny thing is it slowly swings back and forth. I > suppose it is due to the different disciplining algorithms of > the two units. I find observations like

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Voltage-Dropping

2009-09-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 03/09/2009 02:05:20 GMT Daylight Time, brucekar...@aol.com writes: I bought a 3.6-V Trimble Bullet GPS antenna on ePay and wish to use it with my T-bolt. Rather than try to internally modify the T-bolt to provide a 3.6-V antenna feed, I decided to try to build an in-