Re: [time-nuts] Fundamental limits on performance

2009-09-19 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/13/09 3:54 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Jim, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, One aspect of why synchronous data and carrier may be worth pointing out. If the carrier and modulation is asynchronous, then the carrier tracking and data reception needs to

Re: [time-nuts] Fundamental limits on performance

2009-09-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: On 9/13/09 3:54 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Jim, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, One aspect of why synchronous data and carrier may be worth pointing out. If the carrier and modulation is asynchronous, then the carrier tracking and data

Re: [time-nuts] Fundamental limits on performance

2009-09-19 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/19/09 8:36 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: On 9/13/09 3:54 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Jim, As in GPS, for instance, where chip rate is related to carrier frequency. Exactly. Very strict integer

Re: [time-nuts] Fundamental limits on performance

2009-09-19 Thread bg
Hi Jim, Leapfrog navigation has been discussed for mars navigation. http://waas.stanford.edu/~wwu/papers/gps/PDF/Thesis/GuttormROpshaugThesis03.pdf -- Björn Just realized that the gravity potential detuning needs to be adapted to the mars orbit and gravity field. Which also makes

[time-nuts] Distribution amp plans/kits (was Re: How do time-nuts measure phase noise?)

2009-09-19 Thread Chris Caudle
On Tue, August 18, 2009 1:28 pm, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: I have done a new incarnation of my discrete NIST-flavoured distribution amplifier. The input return loss still needs to be cleaned up, then it's ready for publication. I have been interested in this, the time lag made me afraid you were

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt question regarding PPS and 10MHz phase relationship

2009-09-19 Thread Robert Darlington
Hello all, I'm trying to adjust the time between the leading edge of the PPS square wave and the 10MHz zero crossing outputs on a Trimble Thunderbolt. The manual seems to indicate the cable delay compensation setting will do this. As I understand things, this is also called the PPS Offset in the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt question regarding PPS and 10MHz phase relationship

2009-09-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bob Robert Darlington wrote: Hello all, I'm trying to adjust the time between the leading edge of the PPS square wave and the 10MHz zero crossing outputs on a Trimble Thunderbolt. The manual seems to indicate the cable delay compensation setting will do this. No, it doesnt. This only

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt question regarding PPS and 10MHz phase relationship

2009-09-19 Thread Robert Darlington
Ah ha! That explains the changing numbers I see on the 5370B (jitter), and explains why I see no change on the scope other than the jitter. Reading the manual, I don't see any clear explanation like what you just gave me. I see my mistake in manual interpretation but not until after reading

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp plans/kits (was Re: How do time-nuts measure phase noise?)

2009-09-19 Thread John Ackermann
With a lot of help from some of the other time-nuts, I've been working on a follow-on to the TADD-1. Progress has been non-existent for the past several months, but the initial prototype met the goals of very low phase noise and very high isolation. However, it will probably be more

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt question regarding PPS and 10MHz phase relationship

2009-09-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bob One way of reducing the effective noise/jitter on the PPS signal when using it with the 5370 to measure the instability of a source with respect to the Thunderbolt is to use the PPS to ARM the 5370 whilst the 10MHz from the thunderbolt starts the 5370 and the source (or a frequency generated

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp plans/kits (was Re: How do time-nuts measure phase noise?)

2009-09-19 Thread Bob Martinson
See DEMI, Down East Microwave 10-4CK http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/ . 73, Bob K1REM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Chris Caudle Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:14 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

[time-nuts] Question for David Partridge

2009-09-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Question for David Patridge: I was looking over your design of the CMOS Frequency Divider 2, schematic date 2008-07-10. Have you performed a jitter test on your design ? Brian Kirby - KD4FM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator/OCXO Cathodeon FS59

2009-09-19 Thread David C. Partridge
In a partial answer to my own question, and information from a post dated 29 May 2007 by Peter Carran: FS5951 is a temperature controlled crystal oscillator. My shortform Cathodon catalogue describes it as follows: Freq stability: 0.1x10-6 0 to 60C Osc supply: 5 volts 300 mW Oven

Re: [time-nuts] Question for David Partridge

2009-09-19 Thread David C. Partridge
I don't have the equipment to do that test, however a number of folks who did order a kit frequent this list and may have done such tests, but haven't owned up to the results. Sorry Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of