Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Well Jim brought up cars,  I did look at using a GPS as a speed sensor for a car some time ago. The 1000kPH limit (and 1s update rate) stopped that idea. The car finally hit over 1227kph average. We used wheel speed and pitot pressure in the end (plus external time distance).   Robert G8RPI

[time-nuts] [OT] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Dave Baxter
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:13:33 -0400 From: David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat I never had anyone from the airline bother me about doing this (discretely) UNTIL a recent flight this August from Boston to London Heathrow on American ...

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message fad0f39d8fa7f440861941a74b1ae560364...@sbsserver.aremv.local, Dav e Baxter writes: Tests were done a few years ago at London Gatwick, LGW (on the ground) to see what impact (if any) the use of a cellphone had when used inside a commercial pasenger aircraft. I think the only documented

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Roy Phillips
Amen to your last paragraph. Roy - Original Message - From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [OT] GPS from a window seat In message

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread bg
Hi Robert, The limit is 515 m/s, 1000 knots or 1854 km/h. I presume your car did 1227 km/h, right? This is within CoCom limits. Then both altitude AND speed must be over the limit to break the rules. Where your car also driving over 18000m altitude?

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bjorn, The car was Thrust-SSC, Design phase was late 1995, running 1996/7. We were limited on funds too. One unit we looked at was the Rockwell Jupiter, I just looked at the spec and can't see a speed limitation, but it was a problem at the time. Dispite the stories that it was a well funded

[time-nuts] Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread EWKehren
A couple of months ago I did announce that I plan to build a dual Mixer based on the NBS design with minor updates and add a counter section. All with a cost goal of $ 200. Having all parts in house the goal has been reached when boards get ordered in quantity ten. Thanks to inputs from

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/1/09 11:49 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well Jim brought up cars,  I did look at using a GPS as a speed sensor for a car some time ago. The 1000kPH limit (and 1s update rate) stopped that idea. The car finally hit over 1227kph average. We used wheel speed and

Re: [time-nuts] Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread Henk
Hi Bert, This is amazing and i hope that you can make it available for us to build one. I am very interested. regards, Henk A couple of months ago I did announce that I plan to build a dual Mixer based on the NBS design with minor updates and add a counter section. All with a cost goal of

Re: [time-nuts] Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread EWKehren
Henk, it will be available to every one the challenge will be buying in groups, I definitely do not want to be in the mail order business. Bert In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:11:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, h...@deriesp.demon.nl writes: Hi Bert, This is amazing and I hope that you

[time-nuts] Comparison of Ashtech Z-12 and Z-Sensor for timing purposes?

2009-10-02 Thread Stan
I am looking for a GPS receiver to provide high accuracy, low jitter timing pulses in my lab. I have found an Ashtech Z-Sensor for sale but cannot readily determine from the spec sheets how it compares to the Ashtech Z-12 in terms of position and timing accuracy when used as a static, standalone

[time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Will exisitng GPS receivers (Motorola M12M for example) be able to work with the new Galileo system when it comes on line. I know the systems are compatible, but not sure about older GPS receivers. Any help appreciated Martyn ___

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread bg
Hi Martyn, No. You will need a new GNSS receiver for Galileo usage. -- Björn Hello, Will exisitng GPS receivers (Motorola M12M for example) be able to work with the new Galileo system when it comes on line. I know the systems are compatible, but not sure about older GPS receivers.

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Martyn, not the M12M/M12+. Some receivers such as those from uBlox already have the hardware, and will only require a firmware update to work according to the manufacturer. bye, Said In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:11:40 Pacific Daylight Time, mar...@ptsyst.com writes: Hello,

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Martyn, Martyn Smith wrote: Hello, Will exisitng GPS receivers (Motorola M12M for example) be able to work with the new Galileo system when it comes on line. I know the systems are compatible, but not sure about older GPS receivers. Simple answer: No. Little longer answer: Most existing

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-02 Thread David
Hi Alain I can't help with the differences in the PSUs, there is little you can tell by looking at the unit. I wonder if it might be easier to run the OCXO from a new additional supply housed in the unit, there appears to be space for this (?) and feed the 10MHz into the external REF I/P? There

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One easy way to get the eprom fail message on the 53132 is to write settings to memory a bit to often. I blew out a set of them in under a year back when they first came out... They still worked fine, but they did come up with the error at boot. I suspect that they also did not quite save

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: I have been using a simple low cost, high performance alternate solution to the standard Dual Mixer/DMTD. The idea is based on an analog version of NIST's Tight Phase-Lock Loop Method of measuring Freq stability. http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/one.htm#oneone fig

Re: [time-nuts] How do US TV stations disseminate time to DTV

2009-10-02 Thread Greg Burnett
Mark wrote: Apparently many of the boxes use the same source code that has an uncanny knack for choosing the worst possible source for their time... Dave wrote: I think the likely explanation of the recent time problem with converter boxes in the midwest is some common piece of software and/or

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread WarrenS
Bruce Yes, there are a few disadvantages using this simple low cost configuration along with all of its advantages. You can not get everything for nothing, but you can get higher speed, better resolution and less noise from this. This can not be used to evaluate the stability of an offset

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: Bruce Yes, there are a few disadvantages using this simple low cost configuration along with all of its advantages. You can not get everything for nothing, but you can get higher speed, better resolution and less noise from this. This can not be used to evaluate the

[time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Thanks Bj?rn, Magnus and Said for the input. That's another upgrade I'll (not) look forward to. Martyn ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo and GPS

2009-10-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Martyn, Martyn Smith wrote: Hello, Thanks Bj?rn, Magnus and Said for the input. That's another upgrade I'll (not) look forward to. You will not have to make the upgrade, it is only if you want the added benefit of multiple constellations. The current GPS/GLONASS constellation issues is

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread WarrenS
ws Reply to Bruce You also need to measure the EFC slope at the operating point as the EFC transfer characteristic can be highly nonlinear. Yes there is lots of things that can be done wrong but Another one of this configuration's many advantages is that the operating range of both the EFC

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: ws Reply to Bruce You also need to measure the EFC slope at the operating point as the EFC transfer characteristic can be highly nonlinear. Yes there is lots of things that can be done wrong but Another one of this configuration's many advantages is that the

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-02 Thread Christopher Hoover
On 1 October AL1 wrote: i would upgrade my 53132 with an OCXO 10811, i have the module, but i was told i have to change the power supply too. It's yet the original HP 0950-2496 from Delta, model : DPS-43DL-2 (47 Watts). That's the same supply in my 53132A and at least one of my

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-02 Thread Chad Simpson
Hi Bill, I've done this a few times, with mixed success, using an AMOD AGL3080 GPS data logger. I managed to capture an entire flight from HKG to SFO. That was from a South facing window seat. One thing to watch out for is getting a good solid lock on the ground (e.g. in the boarding lounge)

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-02 Thread WarrenS
ws reply to Bruce's comments That calibration is linear over than a 1 Hz (1e-7) offset range. Whilst that may be true for your OCXO, this is certainly not true for every ocxo one may wish to measure. It is not the measured OSC that needs to be linear, but the reference Osc, but I'm sure