Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread bg
> In message > <2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se>, bg > @lysator.liu.se writes: > >>High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform >>systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown, >>which completely dominate modern nav

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread asmagal
The problem with the some European chains is that they have four-digit GRPs . Therefore, the standard 2000C and maybe others are useless. Regards, Antonio CT1TE Quoting paul swed : Well that's what I am thinking about also. Earlier in this thread there was a mention of Europe. This would be a

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread paul swed
Well that's what I am thinking about also. Earlier in this thread there was a mention of Europe. This would be a sky wave only signal as I recall from the navy. So I have g3plx LORAN software and will look to see what I might get here on the east coast. Suspect the Canadian chains will go very quic

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Jerome Peters
Is Loran C used with GPS to help make land surveying more accurate? I thought I read something about using both systems together. --- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contai

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread J. Forster
Also, somebody mentioned French chains. Any info on those would be appreciated. They might worl, especially on the east coast. -John == > Hello ! > > Before you throw away your Loran Receivers, have you checked what will > happen with the Canadian Transmitter Chains ? > > Would it b

[time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Claude Houde
Hello ! Before you throw away your Loran Receivers, have you checked what will happen with the Canadian Transmitter Chains ? Would it be possible with better antennas to receive signals from other countries ? Would be interested in hearing your input on these ideas ! Thanks ! Claude

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se>, bg @lysator.liu.se writes: High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown, which completely domi

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B PROM

2009-11-10 Thread Mike S
At 05:29 PM 11/10/2009, Bruce Lane wrote... you describe were, if I recall correctly, compatible with being read from a text file as long as the programmer being used to make a new device supports the format in question. The common Intel Hex and Motorola S-Record formats have the advantage of

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B PROM

2009-11-10 Thread Bruce Lane
Good day, *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10-Nov-09 at 16:07 Joe Geller wrote: >I can read these formats to a text file using a Windows terminal emulator >to save them to a file, >however, I do not know how to make the “ROM Image”. Technically, a ROM image is made by creatin

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B PROM

2009-11-10 Thread John Allen
Hi Joe - Thanks for the good info. I would like a back rom. Thanks, John K1AE Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Joe Geller wrote: My 5370B PROM turns out to be fine (there was some operator error) I picked up a DATA I/O 201 programmer and some NOS windowed MOT MCM68764C to

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se>, bg @lysator.liu.se writes: >High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform >systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown, >which completely dominate modern navigation.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread bg
Hi Robert, High performance - for me - is 'navigation grade' wrt intertial systems. Your terminology is somewhat strange to me. 'IN' is that short for INertial or Inertial Navigation? There are (used to be) two basic types of intertial navigation systems; platform systems, where a number of gimba

[time-nuts] 5370B PROM

2009-11-10 Thread Joe Geller
My 5370B PROM turns out to be fine (there was some operator error) I picked up a DATA I/O 201 programmer and some NOS windowed MOT MCM68764C to have some backups (this was probably overkill, since I have never actually seen a failed hp counter from ROM failure) A newly burned MCM68764C appears to

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bjorn, This depends on what you call high performance. The normal definition of "high performance" in relation to IN is low drift with time. Even "cheap" fibre optic gyro based IN platforms can perform as well as the early airline standard mecanical units. GPS does not provide attitude or hea

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore glitch?

2009-11-10 Thread Scott Mace
I noticed a glitch at about 0100Z on 11/5/09 with a Fury. Unit has been tracking within +-10ns for many months, and then suddenly jumped to -40ns or so and recovered. Not sure if it lost lock or was in holdover. I wasn't monitoring it with GPScon prior to the event (I had rebooted the vm tha

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore glitch?

2009-11-10 Thread Garren Davis
I don't remember what day it was but last week I looked at my TAC32 program and noticed it had lost lock. It showed no satellites tracked. I restarted TAC32 and all was well. I use a Motorola Oncore and thought it might be something to do with daylight saving time changing. Garren -Orig

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread bg
On the other hand... With GPS-aiding its argued that high performance INS-systems are not needed. The same performance will be reached with a low cost GPS and a mid to low performance inertial system. So I doubt we will have low cost high performance intertial sensors anytime soon. -- Björn >

[time-nuts] Oncore glitch?

2009-11-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
I've been asked if anyone noticed an iLotus / Motorola Oncore or M12 GPS receiver glitch a week ago (Wednesday 5 Nov at about 1900Z)? (no need to reply if your GPS receivers kept ticking; I'm just looking here for reports of any signal or tracking anomaly at the time in question) Thanks, /tvb

[time-nuts] Oscillator for service monitor

2009-11-10 Thread Joseph Gray
A friend of mine is looking for a suitable replacement for the timebase in his Motorola S1327A service monitor. Here is the description he sent me for the existing oscillator. 1 Mhz Oscillator. Made by: Monitor PO of Pasadena, CA. Mfg Date 05/73 Heater is 115VAC. Osc power is 30VDC (+15 and -15).

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 09/11/2009 23:24:27 GMT Standard Time, alan.me...@btinternet.com writes: There is a system in the UK that already does that and used digital TV as well I believe. The accurate nav is only really needed in coastal water and the phones cover most of those. Ain't many trees

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Correct, They are already at a price and size where they are making it onto light aircraft. An IN platform is life cycle cost competitive with a mechanical vertical/directional gyro pair and adding navigation is "just" (cheap apart from the RTCA DO-178 assurance) software.  Echos of the end of O