Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium standard

2009-11-11 Thread David Smith
I'm new to the list. Having said that, I ran across a webpage from a chap in Australia or maybe it was New Zealand. In any event he claims that the Rb lamp can be brought back to life. He says that he has rejuvenated over 30 units with bad lamps and they work great after his "process." I will

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium standard

2009-11-11 Thread Hal Murray
> I was told by a Technical Support Engineer from Symmetricom Global > Services that "The typical life span is ~10 years for these Rubidium > Time Bases". > This is in response to my request for information on a Ball/Efratom > PTB-100. > Is this a typical life span of a rubidium standard? It's

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob Camp wrote: HI I have no direct experience with the Minicircuits "active mixers", but I have used some of their amplifier chips. I suspect they use their own amps. Or at least the same amps. The amps I worked with had significant phase noise issues when driven within 6db of their 1db co

[time-nuts] Rubidium standard

2009-11-11 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
I was told by a Technical Support Engineer from Symmetricom Global Services that "The typical life span is ~10 years for these Rubidium Time Bases". This is in response to my request for information on a Ball/Efratom PTB-100. Is this a typical life span of a rubidium standard? Do some standard

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Bob Camp
HI I have no direct experience with the Minicircuits "active mixers", but I have used some of their amplifier chips. I suspect they use their own amps. The amps I worked with had significant phase noise issues when driven within 6db of their 1db compression point. They were "ok" at low

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Hej Magnus To confuse matters Minicircuits use the term active mixer for a conventional diode mixer that uses amplifiers on the LO and/or RF ports to boost signal levels. While it confuses matters, it is usefull to know about them, since they may be good for some desi

Re: [time-nuts] SocketWatch Woes

2009-11-11 Thread Rob Kimberley
Have you tried Dimension 4 Time? See http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/. Free download for private use. Have used it on XP and Vista machines OK. Don't know about Windoze 7 though. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] O

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Active mixers almost invariably have a higher noise floor than passive mixers, particularly in the flicker noise region. Consequently a DMTD system using active mixers will have a higher system noise

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Active mixers almost invariably have a higher noise floor than passive mixers, particularly in the flicker noise region. Consequently a DMTD system using active mixers will have a higher system noise floor than one using act

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Active mixers almost invariably have a higher noise floor than passive mixers, particularly in the flicker noise region. Consequently a DMTD system using active mixers will have a higher system noise floor than one using active mixers. ... than o

Re: [time-nuts] Home NTP ? & GPS Clock s/w

2009-11-11 Thread Rob Kimberley
Or just use NTP for Windows - available for free at http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm. Use it in conjunction with their excellent NTP Monitor program http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/time-server-monitor.htm Works a treat on any Windows machine. Rob Kimberley -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Active mixers almost invariably have a higher noise floor than passive mixers, particularly in the flicker noise region. Consequently a DMTD system using active mixers will have a higher system noise floor than one using active mixers. ... than one using passive mixers.

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mario Sanchez wrote: Hi all, I am starting building a DMTD, and for simplicity reasons I started with active mixers... What are the advantages/disadvantages of using passive mixers instead? Someone has had the experience to compare them? As LO, I am using a Synthesizer whose amplitude is a

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread Rob Kimberley
Hi Alan, I hope so. Peter Vince is coming. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 11 November 2009 20:10 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Rob I'm not sure yet but may see you there Alan Melia (G3NYK) - Original Message - From: "Rob Kimberley" To: ; "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown > Not practical. You need gro

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: As the distance between the transmitter and receiver increases so does the jitter in the received signal. You can see that in the data on the NIST page where they monitor different stations from Colorado. The greater the distance the poorer the time recovered. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread J. Forster
> Not practical. You need ground wave reception of LORAN for accurate > navigation. At long distances you would be reliant on sky wave. Roy, OK, but my interest is NOT navigation, but as a standard of time interval. It would still be useful, even if the path length drifted between day and night a

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread J. Forster
Hyperbolic, not parabolic. -John > Someone may correct me on this. > > But isn't Loran a parabolic navigation system? So, the further away > from the chain of transmitters you are, the positioning "quality" (for > want of a better word) will deteriorate. I seem to remember reading >

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Mario Sanchez
Hi all, I am starting building a DMTD, and for simplicity reasons I started with active mixers... What are the advantages/disadvantages of using passive mixers instead? Someone has had the experience to compare them? As LO, I am using a Synthesizer whose amplitude is approx 500mVpp, and the

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Mario Sanchez
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[time-nuts] DMTD using Active Mixers

2009-11-11 Thread Mario Sanchez
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread paul swed
Antonio, I ran into that last night. So much for an easy test. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, wrote: > The problem with the some European chains is that they have four-digit > GRPs . Therefore, the standard 2000C and maybe others are useless. > > Regards, > Antonio > CT1TE > > > Quoting p

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread Dave Baxter
Someone may correct me on this. But isn't Loran a parabolic navigation system? So, the further away from the chain of transmitters you are, the positioning "quality" (for want of a better word) will deteriorate. I seem to remember reading that you need a good spread of directions for the inco

[time-nuts] SocketWatch Woes

2009-11-11 Thread Joe McElvenney
Hi, Does anyone on the list use SocketWatch to keep their computer's clock roughly up to snuff time-wise? With me having switched to Vista (and lately W7), it often can't make the necessary network connection and gives me 'access denied' messages. The strange thing is that it will work fine from a

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown

2009-11-11 Thread Rob Kimberley
Not practical. You need ground wave reception of LORAN for accurate navigation. At long distances you would be reliant on sky wave. I'm going to an NPL Timing meeting in early December being held at Trinity House in London. I'll get the low down on what is happening over here on LORAN in light of