Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Duckworth
Magnus, We've made this measurement using a 20 ps time interval counter and a GPS disciplined Rubidium frequency standard as the time base; making many concurrent measurements with no dead time between. The resultant measurement was very close to the 1 ns/ft benchmark with RG-59 (BNC connector

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Hal Murray
z...@dakotacom.net said: > 4. Does anyone know a way to force the 5335A counter to display > another decimal place in frequency measurements? I am getting to > 0.001 Hz by using the "mean of 100 counts" function on the counter, > but I think the counter has at least one more digit available whic

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-GPSDO

2010-01-05 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bruce, > In searching on-line for ways to construct a 10 MHz to 100 > MHz multiplier, The circuit that you need depends a lot on what jitter is allowed for the 100 MHz signal. If your requirements are not too tight a single ICS503 clock multiplier ic will do. However it has a typical output ji

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: > This sounds fast. The normal taxiometer is at 66% of speed of ligth in > vaccum, which for 1 ns is about 3 dm so for the RG-59 that would be > about 2 dm. > Some cables reach 78%, but RG-58 and RG-59 is down at normal 66%. Sounds right. My rule to thumb for

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread John Miles
> > Nope, not ready to run away by any means, John! And I do thank you > much for your time in these helpful comments. Thanks also to Tom for > that somewhat different scope method. I was indeed wondering about > that short-term stability issue when making quick "point-in-time" > frequency mea

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Jim Mandaville
Run away while you still can? :-P -- john, KE5FX Nope, not ready to run away by any means, John! And I do thank you much for your time in these helpful comments. Thanks also to Tom for that somewhat different scope method. I was indeed wondering about that short-term stability issue whe

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Bruce Griffiths
IE-11 is probably more current notation than using 10E-11 for 1 part in 1 hundred thousand million. However this is only to be expected from oder application notes and papers. Tom Duckworth wrote: Warren- No, a 100% error would be 40 GHz. Where did you get 40.4 GHz? That would be 101% and of co

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom Duckworth wrote: Jim, We use a benchmark 1 ns per foot of coax (RG-59). This sounds fast. The normal taxiometer is at 66% of speed of ligth in vaccum, which for 1 ns is about 3 dm so for the RG-59 that would be about 2 dm. Some cables reach 78%, but RG-58 and RG-59 is down at normal 66

[time-nuts] LPRO-GPSDO

2010-01-05 Thread brucekareen
In searching on-line for ways to construct a 10 MHz to 100 MHz multiplier, I came across an interesting product offered by Silicon Forest Solutions _http://www.TenMHz.com_ (http://www.TenMHz.com) . Their LPRO-GPSDO incorporates a refurbished LPRO rubidium oscillator, disciplined by a GPS r

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Duckworth
Jim, We use a benchmark 1 ns per foot of coax (RG-59). You could measure the delay by using a resistive splitter (50 ohms) and two cables (say a 2 foot and a three foot, each terminated at the far end with a 50 ohm pass through terminator). Drive the splitter with your 10 MHz signal and measu

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Duckworth said the following on 01/05/2010 09:10 PM: Warren- No, a 100% error would be 40 GHz. Where did you get 40.4 GHz? That would be 101% and of course 80 GHz is 200%. Bruce- Of course you are right about the + symbol for 40.000 000 003 GHz (+7.5 parts in 1E-11) but what would you cons

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Duckworth
Warren- No, a 100% error would be 40 GHz. Where did you get 40.4 GHz? That would be 101% and of course 80 GHz is 200%. Bruce- Of course you are right about the + symbol for 40.000 000 003 GHz (+7.5 parts in 1E-11) but what would you consider current standard notation. We still Use this metric

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread John Miles
> 1. Can someone tell me the meaning and significance of the "Timing > Outputs" numbers in the lower left corner of the TBolt monitor > window? (Mine right now is showing plus 3.75 ns and plus 0.01 ppb). > The TBolt manual does not describe these, although on one page it > lists them as "estimat

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread J. Forster
One word: Vodka -John === > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> Not entirely unrelated to Loran-C: >> >> http://www.jan-mayen.no/nyhet/2009/12_desember/desember-09.htm >> >> Look at the entry for december 23rd. >> > > Looks like they have alot of humour and good mood in general. Their > ba

[time-nuts] Z3816A Firmware

2010-01-05 Thread Luciano Bollini
I have two Z3816A but some days ago I deleted the firmware of one of these. Does someone know if is possible to found the firmware? I was working with satstat and with a wrong command I erased the EPROM. Can someone help me? Thanks. Luciano ___ time-n

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread WarrenS
Interesting So a 100% error (1e2) would then be 40.4GHz and not 80GHz Sounds like some new math the cost of living department came up with. ws ** Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths at xtra.co.nz Tue Jan 5 20:25:05 UTC 2010 One should of course be aware that the number notation used is

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread Don Latham
And, do I see a picture of something looking much like the dreaded Wouff Houng? Don AJ7LL Magnus Danielson > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> Not entirely unrelated to Loran-C: >> >> http://www.jan-mayen.no/nyhet/2009/12_desember/desember-09.htm >> >> Look at the entry for december 23rd. >> > > Loo

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One should of course be aware that the number notation used is no longer considered correct. Also even after correcting for the non standard notation the last set of numbers is incorrect: eg 40.000 000 003 GHz is equivalent to an error of +7.5 parts in 1E11 not 7.5 parts in 1E-11. Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Not entirely unrelated to Loran-C: http://www.jan-mayen.no/nyhet/2009/12_desember/desember-09.htm Look at the entry for december 23rd. Looks like they have alot of humour and good mood in general. Their bathing-weather leaves a little to desire... -0,4 C in the wate

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread Rob Kimberley
There is a LORAN-C transmitter on Jan Mayen. See the picture of the miniature one on Dec 23rd. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard W. Solomon Sent: 05 January 2010 7:11 PM To: Discussion of precise tim

[time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread Jim Mandaville
I am new to the list (although lurking now a while) and also new to the more precise species of frequency and time measurement. I have recently powered up an LPro and a Thunderbolt, both of which appear to be working by the book. Connecting the TBolt to my scope external sync and the LPro as

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Sorry, but I am not conversant in that language !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- >From: Poul-Henning Kamp >Sent: Jan 5, 2010 1:23 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day > > >Not entirely unrelated to Loran-C: > >http://

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C D-Day

2010-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Not entirely unrelated to Loran-C: http://www.jan-mayen.no/nyhet/2009/12_desember/desember-09.htm Look at the entry for december 23rd. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

[time-nuts] Att. Brian Kirby

2010-01-05 Thread Ulrich Bangert
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Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB Controllers on sale at SparkFun

2010-01-05 Thread Peter Vince
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