[time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi,I'm late to the thread (as usual), but have looked at these LED's in the past. It was for a biotech imaging application. There are two types, a red/green/blue cluster or a blue / near UV LED with a white phosphor. These phosphors seem to have a fairly continuous spectrum, at least compared

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The speed isn't terribly surprising since the phosphor used is actually a scintillator. Unlike phosphors scintillators don't have long decay times so there is no afterglow like that from a phosphor. The IKEA LED lamp output may not be significantly modulated if the wall wart constant

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
Yes, it is frustrating, they have to be the last dinosaurs of consumer distribution. For me, the nearest store is 6 hours away, if I don't get stopped for a speeding ticket on the way... So I can't afford to be interested in what they may have for sale. Didier -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
J. Forster wrote: The attached spectrum is from a Circline Fluourescent that screws into a table lamp. This is the type of spectrum I would like to avoid. Continuous spectrum and warm white is my preference for normal light. Fluorescent sky blue white is what I don't want. Cheers, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
d.sei...@comcast.net wrote: I took apart the last dead one just for that purpose. I initially eyed the 105deg Al cap, but it was dead, along with one of the xstrs (hole in package). The film caps, diodes and fuse are still good too. As is the tube- don't know what I'll do with that. Sounds to

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
Also they are very sensitive to heat, so do not use them in an enclosed fixture. I have been burned (figuratively) with these two gotchas, there may be more. The one that lasts the longest in my house is the outside light at my back door. It is turned on once a day around 6-7 PM and off in the

[time-nuts] LED Spectra mentioned in time-nuts Digest, Vol 66, Issue 164

2010-01-30 Thread Joe Cassano aka jmario
J. Forster wrote: Attached is a spectrum of a white LED Flashlight. My diode spectrometer does not go further than the limits shown. While this may be stretching the limits of time-nuts... I think I saw a question asking what was used to measure the recently posted LED spectra but other

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At the cost target on those bulb's it's always a race to see who dies first. The same can be said of conventional fluorescent fixtures. I have some big ones in the shop downstairs. The no name electronic ballasts that came with them all died in the first two years. I replaced them with

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Chuck Harris
I have dissected many dead CFL's, and the key component failure is the 10uf 350V electrolytic capacitor. Most of these bulbs caution against using them in a base up configuration which of course is how most of my CFL's are operated. I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's,

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread paul swed
IKEA and $39 per lamp. Sounds like some pretty good margin in the sale. I guess these LED things will be main stream and save the world when we see them at walmart for $6. On my bench I converted to 60 watt halogen lamps compared to the 100 watt lamp. Equivalent color spectrum to the traditional

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread bg
Hi I have a store some 5km away... but anyway, it seems its possible to webshop at least in Ikealand. http://www.ikea.com/ms/sv_SE/customer_service/how_to_e-shop/how_to_e-shop.html -- Björn Yes, it is frustrating, they have to be the last dinosaurs of consumer distribution. For me, the

Re: [time-nuts] LED Spectra mentioned in time-nuts Digest, Vol 66, Issue 164

2010-01-30 Thread Thomas A. Frank
I'm curious to know a little more about what was used to measure the LED spectra. Not familiar with a diode spectrometer and Google is not being very helpful. The last time I measured optical spectra was a long long time ago using a PE UV/Visible spectrophotometer in the early days of

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread David C. Partridge
For those who don't speak swedish try: http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_GB/customer_service/how_to_e-shop/how_to_e-shop.h tml Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of b...@lysator.liu.se Sent: 30 January 2010 16:01 To:

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi,I'm late to the thread (as usual), but have looked at these LED's in the past. It was for a biotech imaging application. There are two types, a red/green/blue cluster or a blue / near UV LED with a white phosphor. These phosphors seem to have a fairly continuous

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread J. Forster
In general I agree, but the blue-white LED flashlight is pretty useful for looking inside electronics. -John = J. Forster wrote: The attached spectrum is from a Circline Fluourescent that screws into a table lamp. This is the type of spectrum I would like to avoid.

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Chuck Harris wrote: I bought some of the LED replacements for Edison bulb incandescents, and they have an afterglow that lasts for several minutes. It is very much dimmer than when they are turned on, but is there none the less. -Chuck I got one of these so called 2D fluorescent tubes in a

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I bought some of the LED replacements for Edison bulb incandescents, and they have an afterglow that lasts for several minutes. It is very much dimmer than when they are turned on, but is there none the less. -Chuck I got one of these so called 2D

Re: [time-nuts] LED Spectra mentioned in time-nuts Digest, Vol 66, Issue 164

2010-01-30 Thread J. Forster
The Spectrometer I used is an Ocean Optics HR2000. It's a small box about 2 x 4 x 6 and has a FO input and a USB connection. It is powered from my laptop via the USB port. I bought mine at an MIT Flea Market last summer. The SW is available from the manufacturer. I don't recall what I paid, but

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Paul: LEDs come in many flavors of white. The ones called warm white can be very comfortable but they are not as bright as the plain white or cool white LEDs. Also high power LEDs can burn your eye. Not because they emit UV but rather just because they are bright, like the Sun.

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Mike Feher
Or, possibly, your radiant personality :). - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:47 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread paul swed
Clarke Sorry to hear that you hurt your eyes. I suspect many are unaware of the risk. I have experimented with higher power LEDs but nothing like 7 watts so very good to have learned something. I have to say even looking at the lower power LEDs you get the feeling that looking straight on is not a

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I should have added, it carried on glowing for some time after I got home too. At that point, I was well away from the train lines, though we do have 11 kV overhead cables around 30m from the house. It eventually stopped glowing so I assume it was the presence of the

Re: [time-nuts] DNA Decoder

2010-01-30 Thread Predrag Dukic
DNA sequences are also similar to sequential code and have something similar to procedures. There are genes that control which procedures are active, and which are not. So there is a bunch of zombie code that was active in some distant past, but not used now. If by mistake some of this

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread Dave Martindale
If you care about accurate colour rendering, stick with incandescent, preferably halogen. White LEDs are actually blue LEDs coated with a phosphor that absorbs some of the blue light and emits approximately yellow instead. If you look at the spectrum, you'll see a broad yellow peak and a

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Dave Martindale
Hmm. Has anyone built a strobe light using LEDs instead of a xenon flash tube? I can see the appeal of building something that doesn't need high voltage to fire or trigger the tube. Yes, you probably couldn't get as much light as a big Xenon tube, but there are applications where you don't

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Robert Atkinson
I have some Philips LED halogen downlighter replacements. They are rated at 3W and produce a noticeable glow when OFF. They are on a 2-way circuit and the stray capacitance of the wiring allows enough current for a faint glow. Robert G8RPI.  --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Dave Martindale
There are also large differences in rated lifetime; look at the fine print on the package. I've had some early Philips units that I used in a timer-driven lamp; they were on for hours every day. The lamp lasted for years and years and I eventually threw it out because it had gotten dim (the

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Dave,Yes I have. There was also a design in NutsVolts a while back. Generally if you keep the duty cycle low  (1:20) and pulses short (20ms) you can push most LED's to about ten times their maximum continuous rated current without ill effect. Looking at the continuous and pulse ratings of IR

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: LEDs are used on many cell phone cameras in just that way. The data sheets for the LEDs have the pulse use specs. At: http://www.sd36.bc.ca/sulhts/departments/elx/p/elec.html scroll down to the Boy Scout Motor and notice a common LED held by two wires that's being used as a strobe

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Chuck Harris wrote: I bought some of the LED replacements for Edison bulb incandescents, and they have an afterglow that lasts for several minutes. It is very much dimmer than when they are turned on, but is there none the less. -Chuck Bruce Griffiths wrote: The speed isn't terribly

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Max Robinson
I remember hearing about a law suit in an engineering law class I had to take way back when. It seems a farmer had a long fence running under and parallel to a high tension distribution line. He had hidden a copper line in it and was harvesting enough power to operate most of his farm

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread Hal Murray
I have tinkered for a while looking for effectively spread leds for panel meters. I dislike changing lights in my radios. But the LED simply do not spread light the way lamps do. The classic clear plastic package with a round dome actually makes a pretty good lens. Most/many LEDs are

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Ikea Lamp

2010-01-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: I have tinkered for a while looking for effectively spread leds for panel meters. I dislike changing lights in my radios. But the LED simply do not spread light the way lamps do. The classic clear plastic package with a round dome actually makes a pretty good lens.

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread NeonJohn
Chuck Harris wrote: I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given illumination, but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent,

Re: [time-nuts] LED Spectra mentioned in time-nuts Digest, Vol 66, Issue 164

2010-01-30 Thread NeonJohn
J. Forster wrote: I believe these particular units came from a biomedical analyzer of some sort. The gratings (hence the dispersion) can be changed at the factory, but it costs something like $500 last seen. I work with a fellow who makes custom gas discharge lamps (you need a spectra, he

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
NeonJohn wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given illumination, but the owners leave them on far longer

[time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread Corby Dawson
Hi, I picked up a nice big clock that has self winding clock co. New York and western union on the face. After some research on the web I connected a 3V battery up and it wound itself OK. Fiddled with the orientation a bit to get the pendulum swing balanced and it seems to be running OK now.

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Oh I am certain that they can measure the losses, especially today. I disagree that harvesting the fields from a hundred feet away is theft, though. Especially if it is on your own property. The easements on my property give the power companies the right to come onto the property and maintain

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Neville Michie
Wait until they find out there is arsenic in LEDs! cheers, Neville Michie On 31/01/2010, at 7:50 AM, NeonJohn wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what EPA

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Chuck Harris
NeonJohn wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given illumination, but the owners leave them on far longer than

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Bruce Griffiths wrote: If the intention is to cleanup the mercury rather than just the glass and relatively non toxic phosphor then the cleanup procedure is contrary to the method outlined in: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14605.htm If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
According to the paper that was linked earlier, there are 3 types of fluorescent bulbs, some have no heater at all and are started with a high voltage pulse that causes accelerated damage. Those suffer from the most life reduction when cycled. Those with the always on heater suffer the least, but

Re: [time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread paul swed
Corby if you just found it consider lubricating it before running it. I have used transmission oil very very little on the higher speed gear bearing points. A light/medium grease on the springs. I speculate a solenoid winds a spring. I have a number of other pulse clocks Standard electric. They

Re: [time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread Ralph Smith
Ken, at Ken's Clock clinic http://www.kensclockclinic.com/ has a good deal of information about Self-Winding Clock Company clocks, as does our own Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC.shtml. I have two of these beasts, powered by a replica #6 battery from Ken's Clock Clinic, that contains

Re: [time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread Mitchell Janoff
Corby, I've been working with and collecting self-winding clocks for about 15 years and have about 20 that are synchronized hourly to a 2 second pulse from an Oncore GPS receiver connected to a Parallax BS2. In order for the synchronizer to function properly, the minute hand must be mounted so

Re: [time-nuts] LED Spectra mentioned in time-nuts Digest, Vol 66, Issue 164

2010-01-30 Thread J. Forster
OK. I'll look for the guy's contac info, but it might take a day or two. -John === J. Forster wrote: I believe these particular units came from a biomedical analyzer of some sort. The gratings (hence the dispersion) can be changed at the factory, but it costs something like $500

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Morris Odell
Just about every doctor's surgery or emergency room more than about 15 years old will have had more than one thermometer broken in it. I'm sure there are lots of little balls of mercury lurking in carpet fibres or between tiles in those environments. It doesn't seem to have surfaced as an

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread J. Forster
Frankly, I think today if you breathe, pee, poo, or do ANYTHING at all you are likely breaking some law, silly or otherwise. FWIW, -John === [snip] As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside the US. http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm

[time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Mark Sims
Sulphur flower is ground sulphur raw sulphur. Flowers of sulphur is precipitated out of sulphuric acid. The distinction is subtle, but can be quite deadly if you do pyrotechnics. Flowers of sulphur can be highly acidic and reacts violently with chlorate compounds. -

Re: [time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
Corby, Getting hard to find a posting about time amid all the OT stuff. Do some more research. Maybe ask the NAWCC librarian. Or send it to me and I'll find out, then return it to you in the same box. I'll pay return shipping for the experience. I have no room to keep large clocks. Do have a

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread J. Forster
Among chemists, it's flour of sulpher. Flowers is an (incorrect archeic) popular name, like quicksilver. -John === It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside the US.

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material is not the subject

2010-01-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
When did this list become a discussion of Chemistry? Is there a time list I can join? Not that I've never been off topic, or never learned something from an OT discussion, but this brings to mind dead horses and the beating thereof. I'll bet there is a better list for this subject, and that it's

Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

2010-01-30 Thread Don Latham
The connection is alchemical, Don - Original Message - From: Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top

Re: [time-nuts] White LED's

2010-01-30 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Max wrote: I remember hearing about a law suit in an engineering law class I had to take way back when. It seems a farmer had a long fence running under and parallel to a high tension distribution line. He had hidden a copper line in it and was harvesting enough power to operate most of