Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO?

2010-03-01 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Paul, The bottom of any rack case is not a good heat sink (heat rises and there is no airflow). I'd put the LPRO on a L shaped aluminium bracket (thick as possible, I got extruded alloy angle cut-off's from a engineering Co once) close to the rear of the case. The longest edge should run

Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency counter and a request for help

2010-03-01 Thread Gerard PG5G
I have had a few replies, both on list and off list, including some offers for help and some suggestions regarding the capabilities of my counter. Thanks to everyone who took the time to write. I understand from various replies I had that I cannot measure ADEV the way I thought I could. I am

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-03-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob Camp wrote: Hi The winds in Sweden change directions in a *very* predictable fashion? Ghaa! Our secret is out! :) No, by rock I mean crystal, gas is Rb and Cs but could also be H but I don't have one of those babies, and by air I mean GPS or other radio-signal. Cheers, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-03-01 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Magnus Danielson at 01/03/10 19:36... No, by rock I mean crystal, gas is Rb and Cs but could also be H but I don't have one of those babies, and by air I mean GPS or other radio-signal. Well if you think of radio signals as energy, how about: Air:Rb, CS (gas) Fire: Radio/GPS

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 67, Issue 184

2010-03-01 Thread Dave Baxter
Because some people do not seem to know how to trim email, so their individual reply mail to the list, also contains the entire digest they just received! Not just the mail they were replying to. Sheesh... Dave B. Original Message Most mailing list softwares send either at a set

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-03-01 Thread David C. Partridge
But YOU don't want to pay for those (OK if someone else is paying) - they are painfully expensive. D. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths Sent: 28 February 2010 03:00 To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi All of the mixers I'm using are safe from any issues related to recent changes in the product. For the most part they are old enough to vote. Here's some more data from the original run: Peak to peak output voltage into a cap load (other loads are close): ZAD-3 .648 RPD-1 #1

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's been my experience in the past with unusual RF connectors. Unless they went into large scale production you can't afford them. Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:44 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: But YOU don't want to pay for those (OK if someone else is paying) - they are painfully

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/Binputs

2010-03-01 Thread David C. Partridge
I have a collection of 6 Trompeter tri-axial (STP) adapters in a box which I got mixed in with an auction lot. If I'd had to buy them new they would have cost over $600: 150 Series Sub-Miniature Tri-Axial Range 3 off BN153 3-lug T-Adapters ($105 each) 2 off AD158 3-lug female-female barrel

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-03-01 Thread James R Miller
On 1 Mar it was written: Rock I take to be crystal. How about gas and air? Which, improbably, brings us back to a thread of January 11th where JDB wrote: In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. --

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Are we now to the point where the use of wind direction change in Sweden as a primary time standard is actually in question? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of James R Miller Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:13 AM

[time-nuts] Loran-C (?) antennna in low sun

2010-03-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I stumbled over this picture from Jan Mayen: http://www.jan-mayen.no/nyhet/2010/01_januar/januar/crossfox1b.jpg I'm not entirely sure if it is their Loran-C transmission antenna, but it is a damn good picture whatever the antenna does... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C (?) antennna in low sun

2010-03-01 Thread Sykes, Stephan
This is an HF Vertical Monopole. Is a TCI 550 Single Tower Inverted Cone Antenna Steve KD2OM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:33 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO?

2010-03-01 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, First of all, thank you all very much for the many reactions to my query. I'd like to clarify a few things (my original posting was a bit too terse, I guess). The LPRO-101 is 1.5 high, 3.7 deep and 5.0 wide. Its height makes it ideal to fit inside a 1U rack unit while laying on

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO?

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is another unit with the same name (also an LPRO) that is 1.25 high rather than 1.5. That unit is a bit better for a 1U rack. Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Paul Boven wrote: Hi everyone, First of all, thank you all very much for the many reactions to my query. I'd like to

Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency counter and a request for help

2010-03-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Gerard PG5G wrote: I have had a few replies, both on list and off list, including some offers for help and some suggestions regarding the capabilities of my counter. Thanks to everyone who took the time to write. I understand from various replies I had that I cannot measure ADEV the way I

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-03-01 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 01:17, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Are we now to the point where the use of wind direction change in Sweden as a primary time standard is actually in question? Sweden has been a neutral country for some time, that should help. Un-biased readings, and all that. --

[time-nuts] The day just got shorter

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Sims
Apparently the earthquake in Chile has shifted he earth's axis enough to shorten the day by 1.26 microseconds. Darn, I now have to readjust my Accutron watch. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free

[time-nuts] Vremya-ch Hydrogen Masers

2010-03-01 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Anyone here have any experience with these masers? In particular the VCH-1005A? I have been tasked to look after a number of these units and am currently going through the manuals (which are in English but written by a Russian, so they can be challenging :-) Any thoughts, hints or tips would be

Re: [time-nuts] The day just got shorter

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect they are adjusting the Swedish winds as we type Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Apparently the earthquake in Chile has shifted he earth's axis enough to shorten the day by 1.26 microseconds. Darn, I now have to readjust my Accutron watch.

Re: [time-nuts] Vremya-ch Hydrogen Masers

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A couple of our guys did a plant visit back in the late 90's. They had a prototype of your masers running at that time. Their stories were fairly interesting. I suspect things have improved since that time Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Anyone here have any

Re: [time-nuts] Vremya-ch Hydrogen Masers

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Loron
Perhaps obviously, Vremya is Russian for time. -Pete On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Anyone here have any experience with these masers? In particular the VCH-1005A? I have been tasked to look after a number of these units and am currently going through the manuals

[time-nuts] Chilean quake shifted Earth's axis. The length of the day shorter by 1.26 microseconds ?

2010-03-01 Thread mc0fred
Interesting that the effect could be this large. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/chilean-quake-shifted-earths-axis-nasa-scientist-20100302-peqe.html?autostart=1 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Chilean quake shifted Earth's axis. The length of the day shorter by 1.26 microseconds ?

2010-03-01 Thread Henry Hallam
How would one go about verifying this? The angular difference after 1 year is about 3E-8 radians, which is probably well beyond the absolute pointing accuracy of any telescope, and swamped by lunar tidal deceleration anyway. Henry On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:36 PM, mc0fred mc0f...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Chilean quake shifted Earth's axis. The length of the day shorter by 1.26 microseconds ?

2010-03-01 Thread J. Forster
3E-8 radians is 0.03 microradians. A microradian is about 5 arc-seconds, so about 0.15 arc-seconds per year. I think that's in the range that could be observed either optically or by VLBI. -John = How would one go about verifying this? The angular difference after 1 year is about

[time-nuts] Chilean quake shifted Earth's axis. The length of the day shorter by 1.26 microseconds ?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Sims
Pretty trivial to do with GPS where a 1 ns error is under 1 foot of position error (and a geodetic grade GPS can give sub-millimeter accuracy)... even a cheap consumer grade unit is under 10 feet of error. 1.26 us of orbital change is over 1100 feet of error. One trick is to compare the

Re: [time-nuts] Chilean quake shifted Earth's axis. The length of the day shorter by 1.26 microseconds ?

2010-03-01 Thread Henry Hallam
Of course... I am designing a GPS receiver as my day job and didn't think of that ;) Henry On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Pretty trivial to do with GPS where a 1 ns error is under 1 foot of position error (and a geodetic grade GPS can give sub-millimeter