Re: [time-nuts] Frequency divider PCB: Current status on"pre-orders", and pointers to documentation.

2010-03-19 Thread Roy Phillips
Hello David Thanks for the email/confirmation. Keep me informed. Regards Roy -- From: "Roy Phillips" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:42 AM To: ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency divider

[time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Ruifeng Xi
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[time-nuts] iCruze displays (was ko4bb monitor)

2010-03-19 Thread EB4APL
I have complied all the information I got about the subject, including schematics, and published it here: www.cembreros.jazztel.es I will add any additional information you may feedback. Regards, Ignacio, EB4APL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Peter Vince
If it's not too cheeky, I would also like to get my hands on a good, reliable, working 5065A. Peter Vince (G8ZZR, London, England) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

[time-nuts] What's the screw for on the Motorola patch antenna?

2010-03-19 Thread Hal Murray
On the bottom, to the lower right of the label, there is a hole in the mounting plate. Behind that hole is a screw. It's easy to see in the photos on the TAPR site: http://www.tapr.org/gps_ant1a.html (poke the bottom view to get a bigger one) I'm just curious. -- These are my opinions, n

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
Peter, cheek is not the problem. The problem is that all of the Rubidium Vapor Frequency Reference assemblies have darkened with age, unless they've been rebuilt or replaced. I haven't found anyone that has new or rebuilt RVFR assemblies at any price. Perhaps this is because the 5065 is obsolete.

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread J. Forster
I thought Corby Dawson supplies or repairs these? -Jhn = > Peter, cheek is not the problem. > > The problem is that all of the Rubidium Vapor Frequency Reference > assemblies have darkened with age, unless they've been rebuilt or > replaced. I haven't found anyone that has new or re

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Dan Rae
Bill Hawkins wrote: Peter, cheek is not the problem. The problem is that all of the Rubidium Vapor Frequency Reference assemblies have darkened with age, unless they've been rebuilt or replaced. I'm not so sure about that. There are quite a few of us time nuts that own 20 plus year old 506

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Peter: You might consider the Stanford Research PRS10. http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml You can use it as a GPSDO as is or if you find a 5065 with dead physics package there may be a way to use it as a replacement. They show up on eBay for very reasonable prices and have an operational lif

[time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread Mark Sims
Any idea what LCD controller chip the display uses? Probably the Hitachi standard interface, but different controller chips can have subtle differences... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerfu

Re: [time-nuts] TSIP, SCIP time sync

2010-03-19 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: > Also you can cause an automatic time sync whenever the system clock and > Tbolt clock difference exceeds x milliseconds. Windoze reports the time to > a millisecond, but only increments the clock at typically 50-60 Hz. That > limits your absolute time sync accuracy.

Re: [time-nuts] What's the screw for on the Motorola patch antenna?

2010-03-19 Thread Robert Atkinson
Looking at the drawings on the data sheet I think it is one of the radome/cable clamp screws. Not sure why the hole is there though. Robert G8RPI. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Hal Murray wrote: From: Hal Murray Subject: [time-nuts] What's the screw for on the Motorola patch antenna? To: time-nuts@febo

Re: [time-nuts] Azimuth/elevation dependent satellite masking

2010-03-19 Thread Tom Van Baak
I played around some with masking sats that were in poor signal areas, but the problem I wound up with is once you exclude a sat the Tbolt firmware no longer tracks its position so you don't know when its safe to start using it again.To determine that properly you would need to model the sat

[time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Corby Dawson
I have been repairing HP 5065A for over 20 years and have never had a failure due to "darkening" I did have one Efratom unit years ago that the lamp envelope had darkened so much it was unusable. Not sure if the is the "darkening" referred to? The "killer" 5065A failures are oven failures that m

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Tom Van Baak
You might consider the Stanford Research PRS10. Ruifeng is specifically looking for hp 5065A. For a certain mid-range of tau there nothing sort of a maser that beats a well-working 5065A; "they don't make 'em like they used to". As others have pointed out none of the telecom rubidiums come close

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic and BOM

2010-03-19 Thread Tom Van Baak
David, Did you see the TAPR TADD board(s) before you started your divider project? I'm curious what features (or missing features) led you to your board design. Thanks, /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2110 B

2010-03-19 Thread Tom Van Baak
I wonder if some one might have an idea of what might be happening with my 2110 B? Check all the DC power supply voltages and ripple/noise. If that doesn't help, I'll dig out my 2110B and manual and have a look for you. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing li

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Robert Atkinson
Changing the thread slightly, where do the Efratom FRK- L and H fit in the hierarchy of Rb quality? I guess somewhere between the telco units and the 5065A. Opinions welcomed! Robert G8RPI. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Tom Van Baak wrote: From: Tom Van Baak Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are some rubidiums "high overhead" that certainly give a 5065 a run for the "best" title. Of course you aren't going to see one on eBay any time soon . Bob On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> You might consider the Stanford Research PRS10. > > Ruifeng is specif

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic and BOM

2010-03-19 Thread David C. Partridge
Tom, I designed the original version of the board in 2008. I think the TADD2 came along a few months after I did the first batch of boards. If I remember correctly, John Ackermann expressed some interest at the time, but never followed up after I sent the design docs to him. Possibly becaus

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Dan Rae
Robert Atkinson wrote: Changing the thread slightly, where do the Efratom FRK- L and H fit in the hierarchy of Rb quality? I guess somewhere between the telco units and the 5065A. Opinions welcomed! Robert G8RPI. Yes, but much closer to the Telco units than to the -hp- I'd have thought...

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread EB4APL
Mark, Arthur Dent wrote in this list a couple of months ago: "The display is a HY-2002A-803http://www.ciahk.net/upload/docs/HY-2002A.pdf"; I'm going to include that info on my page. Also Christian Vogel told me today: "I'm fairly sure that testpad P5 will be connected to AtTiny26 pin 10 (

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread paul swed
I can say my 5065a is still running like a champ. Just knocked on some wood. I run it about every quarter for a week and check that its stable and at least for now have LORAN c in Canada as a reference along with GPS. They are great and I did not realize the stability mentioned earlier in the list.

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Link does not seem to work ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- >From: EB4APL >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:47 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor > >Mark, > >Arthur Dent wrote in this list a couple of months ago: > >"The displ

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread paul swed
Corby, Interesting on the melt down. Is there a reason to consider a second safety device somehow? I would hate to loose the 5065 because of a run away heater. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Corby Dawson wrote: > I have been repairing HP 5065A for over 20 years and have never had a > failure

Re: [time-nuts] 4 KV Power Supply Recommendations Update

2010-03-19 Thread paul swed
Boy that is a nice supply. I see them for $129-160 on ebay. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:43 PM, J. L. Trantham wrote: > Just an update on the status of the 5061A. I started this thread on > January 17. > > When first turned on, it pegged the Ion Pump I meter and, at glacial speed, > seemed to be

Re: [time-nuts] Do you have HP5065A units for sale? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks!

2010-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The FRK's as spec'd are pretty close to the LPRO's. The FRK's when brand new might be a lot better than spec. Based on used samples I'd guess the FRK exceed spec by a bit more than the LPRO's. SpecFRK (typ) LPRO (max) FRK-L (spec) avar

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread John Miles
One big favor you can do your 5065A is to check the ESR of the electrolytics on the A11 oven driver board. C23 and C24 were open on mine, as was the other instance of the same 20 uF cap on the battery-charger board, and the lamp driver assembly had experienced overheating to a point that was suffi

[time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread Arthur Dent
Actually this thread title should be Fluke.l (lower case L) Richard W. Solomon-"Link does not seem to work ??" My original post got messed up when it was quoted to become:  "The display is a HY-2002A-803 http://www.ciahk.net/upload/docs/HY-2002A.pdf"; When My reference was quoted the end quo

[time-nuts] Azimuth/elevation dependent satellite masking

2010-03-19 Thread Mark Sims
I played quite bit with trying to convert the individual sat clock bias values into a workable number that could be used to control the oscillator. It never worked out. It appears that Trimble is processing and reporting those numbers in a manner such that you need all of them to get what

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke.l Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread EB4APL
I have loaded a new version of my page about the iCruze displays, as used in the fluke.l monitor. I updated the schematic and added the display module information. Ignacio, EB4APL - Arthur Dent wrote: Actually this thread title should be Fluke.l (low

[time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread Mark Sims
Doesn't answer the question about what LCD controller chip it uses... some more digging around implies it's a Sunplus SPCL780. Arthur Dent wrote in this list a couple of months ago: "The display is a HY-2002A-803" ___

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic and BOM

2010-03-19 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi David, Thanks for the detailed comments. I understand better how the two boards differ now. You did a fine job. And thanks for making it available to the group, with good documentation and all. One comment in the use of microcontrollers -- a reason I (and many others) have used them for timin

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread EB4APL
The linked datasheet states that the control LSI is either a SPLC780A or a KS0066. The chips are caseless and potted, so without markings. Regards, Ignacio, EB4APL --- Mark Sims wrote: Doesn't answer the question about what LCD controller chip it uses... s

[time-nuts] Fluke.l Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread Arthur Dent
Mark Sims-"Doesn't answer the question about what LCD controller chip it uses... some more digging around implies it's a Sunplus SPCL780." http://www.ciahk.net/upload/docs/HY-2002A.pdf   The above link has this information on the chip in the block diagram: “control LSI SPLC780A or KS0066”

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-03-19 Thread EB4APL
Datasheets for both controllers can be downloaded from www.alldatasheet.com Regards, Ignacio, EB4APL -- EB4APL wrote: The linked datasheet states that the control LSI is either a SPLC780A or a KS0066. The chips are caseless and potted, so without markin

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic and BOM

2010-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As long as we're explaining things: A CPLD has dedicated clock networks driven by specifically designed clock input buffers. Provided the buffers and clock networks are used, they have very low jitter. The internal logic in a modern part is much faster than anything you can buy as discrete

Re: [time-nuts] 4 KV Power Supply Recommendations Update

2010-03-19 Thread J. L. Trantham
The EC600 power supply is incredibly over built. My goal is to 'reverse engineer' the unit and come up with a schematic for all the boards. I predict it will be a while before I get this done. However, it is quite substantial and seems worth the effort. BTW, the Ion Pump I rests about 26 not 36

[time-nuts] Wavecrest vs. HP 5370 vs. SR620 Jitter measurements

2010-03-19 Thread Demian Martin
>At some point I'll re-run tempco and jitter measurements of the dividers and 1PPS distribution amps >I have here. >Last time I used a 5370B and a SR620. This time I'd like to try a Wavecrest. If someone on the list >has done this already can you let me know? >Thanks, >/tvb I have read through th

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest vs. HP 5370 vs. SR620 Jitter measurements

2010-03-19 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Demian, I can confirm that the Wavecrest achieves it's ~3ps noise floor (with some luck and getting one with a very good internal 100Mhz reference). For full calibration of the unit, one needs the VISI software and a GPIB connection. It does this by having an internal resolution of 80

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Chuck Harris
When my 5065A had its oven failure, it got so hot that it melted all of the solder joints on the lamp board. I resoldered the joints, rewound the oven winding, and foamed the unit with some spray can urethane (Great Stuff), and had it working again for a couple of years. Then something else fail

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread John Miles
What was the root cause of the oven failure in your case? -- john, KE5FX > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on > Behalf Of Chuck Harris > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:58 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Chuck, I bought a 5065A manual and did a high quality scan of it and placed it at http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/ - its in three parts. Unfortunately all I had was a single page scanner - which meant some schematics have 5 scans for each page - but I left overlap so they can be l

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Corby, do you think it warrants an inspection on the oven, for insurance ? Is it a hard procedure ? And what would you look for ? I bought a 5065A last summer, at a hamfest. I had to align it at first to get it to lock up and then I realigned it thirty days later. Its ran non-stop since an

Re: [time-nuts] What's the screw for on the Motorola patch antenna?

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
I got a unit in my hand - I believe it is part of the mounting system Brian KD4FM Robert Atkinson wrote: Looking at the drawings on the data sheet I think it is one of the radome/cable clamp screws. Not sure why the hole is there though. Robert G8RPI. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Hal Murray wrote: