Re: [time-nuts] Fluke monitor

2010-06-04 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 04/06/2010 05:47:32 GMT Daylight Time, le...@wa5znu.org writes: fixed my fluke.l monitor. This evening I got mail today from Bob Mokia: The problem is too much volts on CPU (8051F330D). Must have diodes 1n4148 etc at D1 and D2. Drop cpu volts to 3.6volts. Maximum

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke monitor

2010-06-04 Thread ernieperes
Hi Gents, Just received a few hours ago my new Fluke monitor and just right now making the mods... I used 2SMD diode and the voltage on the CPU is 3,6 Volt. hopefully will work properly.. Will report later on any problem. Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Sat Clock Data

2010-06-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There have been hardware papers every few years showing this and that about the clocks. They obviously have access to some sort of database that lets them generate the data. I guess the database is off limits to civilians. Bob On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:10 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's D. O. program

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
On 4 June 2010 17:33, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote: Yep, I'm in charge of maximizing CPU utilization. :) ROFL Steve -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Had Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:58 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Dual Frequency GPS receivers

2010-06-04 Thread bg
Hi, The civilians are also used by the timing laboratories. Both antennas and receivers float by on the eRiver from time to time at very reasonable prices. These are more often than Oncores available with a built in (tight) PLL letting you lock the local GPS recevier clock to your freq standard.

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
On 4 June 2010 08:32, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: If I may be allowed to summarize, it appears that Warren and Bruce agree that integration is necessary to produce true ADEV results.  Warren asserts that the low-pass filtering his method uses is close enough to

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
On 4 June 2010 08:13, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: So you say but it is producing a result that seems to be VERY interesting. To adopt an attitude where everything has to be done a specific way totally misses out on innovation. You cant arbitrarily change the equivalent

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-04 Thread Mark Kahrs
I for one, have grown tired of the ad-hominem anti-intellectual attacks. This is supposed to be about science and engineering, not words. Therefore, I'd like to see analysis. As Lord Kelvin put it: In physical science the first essential step in the direction of learning any subject is to find

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke Thunderbolt Monitor Revisited

2010-06-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I've added a photo of the component side of the 8051 PCB at: http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#8051PCB J1-2 is connected directly to pin 6 of the uC which is also connected to the output of the 78D05 regulator. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com gandal...@aol.com

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
So a tree is a physical object, its workings can be understood by botanical analysis, but just how do you quantify its beauty in numbers or equations then? And before you try to wriggle out of this, the beauty of a tree is a physical artefact because it imbues a reaction in the viewer. 2+3*6=20

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke Thunderbolt Monitor Revisited

2010-06-04 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 04/06/2010 16:53:36 GMT Daylight Time, bro...@pacific.net writes: I've added a photo of the component side of the 8051 PCB at: http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#8051PCB J1-2 is connected directly to pin 6 of the uC which is also connected to the output of the

[time-nuts] Looking for Manual for Datachron 3650-133 - Help Please?

2010-06-04 Thread Donn Williams
Hi All: New user / first post. I just picked up a Datachron 3650-133 GPS Synchronized Time Code Generator to use as a timebase for my amateur astronomy observatory. I've looked all over for a PDF of the manual and can't find anything. Does anyone have a copy (paper or PDF) that they could

[time-nuts] Fluke T-Bolt Monitor Dumb Question

2010-06-04 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Is that Daughter-Board soldered in or plugged in ? It looks like it's plugged into the connector but I can't get it to budge and I really don't want to apply too much force and wind up breaking it. Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke T-Bolt Monitor Dumb Question

2010-06-04 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Is that Daughter-Board soldered in or plugged in ? It looks like it's plugged into the connector but I can't get it to budge and I really don't want to apply too much force and wind up breaking it. Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ I believe it's soldered. I was able to do my mod using through-hold

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke T-Bolt Monitor Dumb Question

2010-06-04 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 04/06/2010 18:34:23 GMT Daylight Time, w1...@earthlink.net writes: Is that Daughter-Board soldered in or plugged in ? It looks like it's plugged into the connector but I can't get it to budge and I really don't want to apply too much force and wind up breaking it.

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Steve Rooke wrote: On 4 June 2010 08:32, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: If I may be allowed to summarize, it appears that Warren and Bruce agree that integration is necessary to produce true ADEV results. Warren asserts that the low-pass filtering his method

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Sat Clock Data

2010-06-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1576163c-fa59-40b3-808b-3d55df587...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: There have been hardware papers every few years showing this and that about the clocks. They obviously have access to some sort of database that lets them generate the data. I guess the database is off limits to civilians.

[time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-04 Thread Arthur Dent
This out-of-control thread has been a total waste of bandwidth for some time now. I feel that I should be embarrassed for some of the posters here because they appear to have no sense of shame. this thread reminds me of a Robert Frost poem about choices that isn't any more off topic than some

Re: [time-nuts] Tight PLL method. Is it good enough?

2010-06-04 Thread John Green
I am a relative outsider to this fine group. I mostly just read the posts. I have learned a lot since I have subscribed. So, I don't have a dog in the fight over whether the tight PLL method is all Warren says it is. I can understand that Warren has researched this method, discovered its weakness

Re: [time-nuts] Tight PLL method. Is it good enough?

2010-06-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What do you want to test? What do you want to do with the results? What are you going to compare them against? What range of measurements are you interested in? The DMTD will look at two atomic clocks on the same frequency and the reference drops out in the processing. Is that important

[time-nuts] Small DMTD System

2010-06-04 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Time-Nuts, There has been much discussion on this list about methods of measuring short-term stability. I wanted to make the list aware of a new paper describing a small DMTD system. The system was developed by William Riley, author of STABLE32, and is described in detail with schematics and test

[time-nuts] Tight-PLL - YOU DON'T NEED TO READ IT IF YOUR FED-UP WITH THE THREAD SO HIT DELETE NOW!

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
I think I have found the source of the integration issue. I've spent some considerable time ploughing through as many sources of descriptions on ADEV, AVAR and the tight-PLL method. I've even tried looking for the infamous finite time interval integrator which seems to be highly notable by it's