[time-nuts] 74AC175PC Update

2010-07-13 Thread GandalfG8
Hi All As of 09:40 BST, 13th July, 29 of the 32 available 74AC175PCs have been spoken for, assuming all who've expressed an interest go ahead. As far as I'm aware I've confirmed directly with all who have so far asked to be included. If you've emailed me and not yet had a reply please tr

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11 solar eclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Antonio, attached is a recording of my Z3805's EFC along July 11. Times are in UTC. Best regards Ulrich > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von iov...@inwind.it > Gesendet: Montag, 12. Juli 2010 22:19 > An: time-

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11 solar eclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread EWKehren
Ulrich not having a 3805 can you please explain the scale. Thank you Bert Kehren In a message dated 7/13/2010 6:12:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, df...@ulrich-bangert.de writes: Antonio, attached is a recording of my Z3805's EFC along July 11. Times are in UTC. Best regards Ulrich >

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11 solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bert, lacking a 3805 manual my guess is that the 3805 EFC scale may be considered the same as the 3801's one. Which would lead to the conclusion that 1 EFC unit equals roughly 1.0E-12 of relative frequency change of the LO. Symmetricon seems to have believed that the MTI 260 type double oven OCX

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread J. L. Trantham
Ulrich, What software do you use to monitor your 3805A and how do you connect to it? Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ulrich Bangert Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:05 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11 solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread EWKehren
Ulrich, thank you for the info. I think that 2 E-10 per dayis the best argument for any Rubidium. Bert In a message dated 7/13/2010 8:05:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, df...@ulrich-bangert.de writes: Bert, lacking a 3805 manual my guess is that the 3805 EFC scale may be considered the s

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Joe, it is called Z38XX and is a windows tool which can be used to monitor the whole Z38 family where its name comes from. I wrote it about a year ago. You can download it free from http://www.ulrich-bangert.de/html/downloads.html It connects direcly to the Z3805's RS232 connector via a null-mod

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bert, I am really unsure whether the drift alone should make me think that the parts are bad. If the drift can be modelled well by the regulation loop (and the Z3805's software seems to do so) it can well be compesated for. Unfortunately even here is no real expert for MTI stuff who could tell us

[time-nuts] Chances of 5061 and 5062 still having life in them?

2010-07-13 Thread swingbyte
Hi Guys, In Australia some Ce units have hit the surplus market. looks like they are from the 70s - that's 40 years old now. What does the group think the probability of the tubes having any Ce left in them and still working? Is it worth it now when one can use gps clocks to lock say an Rb?

Re: [time-nuts] Chances of 5061 and 5062 still having life in them?

2010-07-13 Thread paul swed
I would guess it revolves around the cost. Impossible to say if any CS is left. But for cheap it may be worth trying. But then shipping will most likely get you. I do agree GPS locked RB is a very nice way to go. At least in the US various RB references much newer in age with possibly more life sho

[time-nuts] 74AC175PC Update

2010-07-13 Thread GandalfG8
Hi All As of 17:07 BST, 13th July, all of the 32 available 74AC175PCs have been spoken for, assuming all who've expressed an interest go ahead. If anyone drops out I'll post accordingly, otherwise will contact those on my list again once I have the ICs to hand and have confirmed delivery

Re: [time-nuts] Chances of 5061 and 5062 still having life in them?

2010-07-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It's quite possible that they have been re-tubed three or four times already. That makes the estimation process pretty tough. Pay for them as if they were dead, feel good if you get a working one. Don't feel bad if you get out-bid... There are indeed things that a Cs can do that a GPS locked

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 260 in my z3805 also has a very linear drift plot. Mine is positive, but otherwise a lot like the one you show. The plot in both cases indeed remarkably linear. That makes you wonder just what the mechanism is. Since they market the 260 as a "rubidium replacement" it is indeed surprising

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/13/2010 06:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The 260 in my z3805 also has a very linear drift plot. Mine is positive, but otherwise a lot like the one you show. The plot in both cases indeed remarkably linear. That makes you wonder just what the mechanism is. Since they market the 260 as a "rubid

[time-nuts] PICTIC II PIC chip group order (update)

2010-07-13 Thread Robert Darlington
Hi all, Just a reminder that I'm going to place an order for the PICTIC PIC chips tonight for those in the USA that want them. The price is $10.00 for the first one, $2.50 for each additional, including shipping and programming. 1 would be $10.00 even, 3 would be $15.00, etc. You can PayPal me a

Re: [time-nuts] Chances of 5061 and 5062 still having life in them?

2010-07-13 Thread EWKehren
Hi I noticed a HP 5061A in Australia with a patek-philippe clock movement on ebay. The clock will be worth some thing, even if the tube is bad! May compensate for the risk you take. Bert Kehren In a message dated 7/13/2010 12:19:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, li...@rtty.us writes: Hi It

Re: [time-nuts] Chances of 5061 and 5062 still having life in them?

2010-07-13 Thread J. L. Trantham, M. D.
I have suffered greatly from 'CS Addiction' since becoming a time-nut. I have purchased a total of 7 5061A's and 2 5061B's that were complete and 2 additional 5061A's for parts, one of which is missing only the tube and the other missing various components including the tube. I have been able to

[time-nuts] 74AC logic differences between manufactures

2010-07-13 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Learning about the differences between families now know why a 74F is not a substitute for 74AC. But remembering something I read in Brooks Shera, W5OJM GPSDO notes "Take care about which 4046 chips you use for U1 and U3. The Phillips 74HCT4046 chips (formerly sold by Radio Shack) are fine. So

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC logic differences between manufactures

2010-07-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Without plugging them into a board, you'll never really know which one is better. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stanley Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:31 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium oscillator controlled clock

2010-07-13 Thread Hal Murray
> I understand that you received some negative feedback on your ripple counter > divider circuit but a single resync flipflop on its outputs in front of the > AC04 drivers will do the job. I think it's (much?) more complicated than that. The basic problem is that the 74LS90 is very very slow. W

Re: [time-nuts] Any clock disturbances during the July 11solareclipse?

2010-07-13 Thread EWKehren
Thanks Ulrich 2 E -10 seems high and a straight line on a double oven is what I would expect, looking at a month or two may tell more. Also what is the change in ambient temperature? With Rubidiums in the less than $100 range I think it is the best bang for a buck. I am still waiting for th

[time-nuts] PIC-TIC boards

2010-07-13 Thread Claude Houde
Hello ! I know I'm a bit late, but is it still possible to order three boards, and have shipped to Canada ? I can program my own PIC's and have access to 74ACT175. Also, I would be willing to program chips for other Time Nuts if it can help someone. Thanks ! Claude __

Re: [time-nuts] PIC-TIC boards

2010-07-13 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Claude, No problem you are on the list, the 74AC175PC is correct chip, not 74ACT175PC. Stanley - Original Message From: Claude Houde To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 8:15:25 PM Subject: [time-nuts] PIC-TIC boards Hello ! I know I'm a bit late, but is it still possibl

Re: [time-nuts] Long period variation of GPS PPS timing?

2010-07-13 Thread Paul Nicholson
Just a follow-up on this. Yesterday I received a Thunderbolt from fluke.l, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290322053618 This worked straight away and has cured the 50 minute drift cycle. I'm getting a standard deviation of pulse interval of about 0.25uS, as measured against

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC logic differences between manufactures

2010-07-13 Thread Javier Herrero
Probably none, since Fairchild inherited that product line from National Semiconductor. Regards, Javier, EA1CRB El 13/07/2010 21:30, Stanley Reynolds escribió: Learning about the differences between families now know why a 74F is not a substitute for 74AC. But remembering something I read in

Re: [time-nuts] Long period variation of GPS PPS timing?

2010-07-13 Thread Hal Murray
> It ought to be a bit better than this, but the 10uS PPS width is a bit too > short for a steady timing of centroid through a soundcard at 192k samples/ > sec, I need to stretch the pulse a factor of 10 or so. The PPS on my TBolt was also too short for a PC running Linux/ntpd to catch it. (It