Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Scott, a cool thing to try is to put the unit into manual holdover by issuing the command sync:holdover:init The unit will act as if the GPS antenna has been removed, but GPSCon will continue to show the 1PPS phase drift against GPS. Thus you can see how stable your LPRO is over

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium - PIS

2010-07-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Pretty much all Rb's tune by changing the magnetic field. Bob On Jul 28, 2010, at 12:52 AM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Scott, yes, Rb's tend to have many orders of magnitude smaller control ranges than OCXO's, so it takes longer to phase lock. What's even worse is hysterisis, eg.

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread Don @ True-Cal
Said, I would like to take advantage of the Fury TempCo capabilities when using an Rb. I have been looking for the thru-hole pad which you say is next to C67 but I can't find a C67. Consider that I am over 60 and eyesight is challenged but I have found C68 with nearby pads. Can you give us

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
Hi I know I am repeating my self but reading Brian's experience with a FRS and the Shera controller, here I go again. Not having any luck contacting Brooks Shera, I did fool the controller with hardware changes and have very good results controlling a FRK-H. Comparing it with a Cesium, it is

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 28/07/2010 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: How ever a Tbolt is a timing device and most of us have no ability or info to change it to a frequency device. Hi Bert Is it possible you're confusing the Thunderbolt with

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Don, sorry about the hassle, please see the attached image of a Fury GPSDO PCB. C67 is on the bottom side of the PCB. The hole is one of the five mounting holes of the OCXO, close to the edge of the PCB, next to one of the SMA connectors. I drew a white circle around it. You can

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium - PIS

2010-07-28 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bob, do we know the resolution of that change for different Rb units? Ergo, will a say 10 microvolt change in EFC voltage actually make a difference in the output frequency or be lost in hysterisis? Thanks, Said In a message dated 7/28/2010 04:23:34 Pacific Daylight Time,

[time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread John Green
Bert, I for one, would be interested in that. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
What could you help with? Bert In a message dated 7/28/2010 3:05:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wpxs...@gmail.com writes: Bert, I for one, would be interested in that. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Instead of copying the Shera controller albeit with higher resolution its probably more cost effective to choose a microprocessor with built in time stamping capability. The PIC24FJ128GA for example allows 30ns timestamping resolution via its external timer capture inputs. Other microprocessors

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4c5092fa.2030...@xtra.co.nz, Bruce Griffiths writes: Instead of copying the Shera controller albeit with higher resolution its probably more cost effective to choose a microprocessor with built in time stamping capability. Uhm, isn't this exactly where you want to use the

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
Yes, you are absolutely right and I have tried to get Richard to do it. Bert In a message dated 7/28/2010 4:47:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message 4c5092fa.2030...@xtra.co.nz, Bruce Griffiths writes: Instead of copying the Shera controller albeit with

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
One more comment $ 40 would cover every thing including PC board, May go up to 50 depending what D/A you use. Bert In a message dated 7/28/2010 4:47:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message 4c5092fa.2030...@xtra.co.nz, Bruce Griffiths writes: Instead of

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: One more comment $ 40 would cover every thing including PC board, May go up to 50 depending what D/A you use. Bert In a message dated 7/28/2010 4:47:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message4c5092fa.2030...@xtra.co.nz, Bruce Griffiths

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
Nigel I do not think so. Early on I did try a Tbolt and did run a comparison with my Cesium, maybe I did something wrong, but to me it looked like they where changing the OCXO frequency to correct timing. I got rid of it and instead modified my Shera for Rubidium. Any comments out there

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Full circle back to the software, the number of units sold, the cost per hour and time to complete project would determine the software cost. Would not surprise me if the software would be the biggest expense till you break the 1000 unit mark unless the cost per hour was very low. As a

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread EWKehren
I assume that some one will donate their time end effort like I am presently doing on the Dual Mixer I have spend in excess of $1000 on the project and untold hours and do not expect any payback. I thought that is what time-nuts is all about. Bert Kehren In a message dated 7/28/2010

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Paul, Interesting you should point this out as the PICTIC was a spin-off of a 5-year effort to modernize the Shera controller for my own use. The 42ns TIC in the Shera was a weak point and a different TIC with higher resolution was needed if sawtooth correction was desired. My GPSMAX controller

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Richard H McCorkle
FYI, The TS272/TS274 have a slew rate of 5.5v/us at unity gain, the max voltage on the cap is 2.7v in the new design, and the voltage is read 10us after sample complete, so the buffer should have time to stabilize after the sample before being read. Richard Bruce wrote: Not really its both

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Bert, In discussions with Brooks Shera the approach we are contemplating is an interpolating TIC and 0-5v output add-on board for use with his controller board. Minor modifications to the AA engineering board will route the XO to an interpolating front end and route the outputs back to the

[time-nuts] TBolt - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I am very slowly putting together a LPRO with a thermal bootstrap temperature control and clean power supplies (in a separate box). The LPRO is on a 1/4 inch aluminium plate with fins on the other side. The LPRO and plate are in a foam plastic insulation jacket. A small brushless DC fan

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Mace
After about 19hours of holdover, only ~45ns. Now let's see how well it recovers. Scott On 07/28/2010 01:02 AM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Scott, a cool thing to try is to put the unit into manual holdover by issuing the command sync:holdover:init The unit will act as if the

Re: [time-nuts] Pictic II boards are here !

2010-07-28 Thread f1ehx
Please, for two pieces, how do I pay , for France ? Thanks Bernard. - Original Message - From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:08 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Pictic II boards are here ! Paypal to

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think there are some significant hurdles to overcome with a TBolt directly driving a Rb. The TBolt assumes it can pull the oscillator pretty far in order to align the pps signals. It also looks like the internal math may not be very happy with Rb sensitivities. I think better results

[time-nuts] HP 5335A Option 040

2010-07-28 Thread Gordon Batey
Greetings to the timekeepers. I have enjoyed many of the comments on this list over the past few years. I have a HP 5335A counter with Option 040. I have found info on options 10, 20 and 30. Can anyone on the list provide any info on option 040? Thanks in advance. Gordon

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2010-07-28 Thread Don Collie jnr
Thankyou to all those who responded to my question...Don. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread SAIDJACK
That's an average accuracy of 6.6E-013 over 19 hours. Impressive. bye, Said In a message dated 7/28/2010 18:21:12 Pacific Daylight Time, sm...@intt.net writes: After about 19hours of holdover, only ~45ns. Now let's see how well it recovers. Scott On 07/28/2010 01:02 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Mace
Recovery from holdover was fine as well. Scott On 07/28/2010 11:21 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: That's an average accuracy of 6.6E-013 over 19 hours. Impressive. bye, Said In a message dated 7/28/2010 18:21:12 Pacific Daylight Time, sm...@intt.net writes: After about 19hours of

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A Option 040

2010-07-28 Thread Rex
From a 1993 HP Catalog: HP5335A Option 40 Expanded HP-IB Control Adds remote selection of low-pass filter, ac/dc coupling, attenuator, dc triggering level, and input impedance for Channels A and B. On 7/28/2010 7:24 PM, Gordon Batey wrote: Greetings to the timekeepers. I have enjoyed

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A Option 040

2010-07-28 Thread John Allen
And two extra buttons in the group on the right (now 8 total there). John Allen -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:06 AM To: gpba...@compuserve.com; Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A Option 040

2010-07-28 Thread John Allen
The manual on the Agilent site (preliminary) doesn't mention 040, but the later manual (available from Artekmedia) does. John Allen -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Batey Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:24 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-28 Thread Hal Murray
stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com said: Full circle back to the software, the number of units sold, the cost per hour and time to complete project would determine the software cost. Would not surprise me if the software would be the biggest expense till you break the 1000 unit mark unless the cost

[time-nuts] FS: 5370A

2010-07-28 Thread Joseph Gray
Ok guys, it has been sitting on my floor far too long and I don't know when I'll get around to working on it. When I last messed with it, I went through quite a few of the performance tests and IIRC, most passed. It measures frequency ok, but it's off a bit on TI measurements. I intended to open