Re: [time-nuts] Garmin 255W GPS units

2010-08-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi They are fairly standard navigation receivers. The data they put out is also fairly standard. Based on my experience with flood damaged electronics, your estimate for working units may be a bit high if they were under long enough to get well soaked. Bob On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:04 AM, jim

Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouser project?

2010-08-04 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
I've ordered the mouser project and skipped the parts that won't ship until 2011. So we're in the same boat. Leigh/Wa5ZNU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

[time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Henry Hallam
Dear time nuts, Background: I have built a GPS receiver based around the SE4120L front end IC [1]. I used a KT3225 TCXO [2] at 16.3676MHz driving the front end through a 10nF series capacitor as in the example circuit in [1]. Inside the front end, this oscillator is multiplied up to form a

Re: [time-nuts] Garmin 255W GPS units

2010-08-04 Thread Pete Lancashire
fi they are like 265's you can run them in Fleet mode and that can get you positional updates something like once a second. a goal of mine with the 265W I have in the truck once I come across a cheap Linux PC in a can that runs off 12V -pete On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:04 PM, jim stephens

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Henry Hallam wrote: Dear time nuts, Background: I have built a GPS receiver based around the SE4120L front end IC [1]. I used a KT3225 TCXO [2] at 16.3676MHz driving the front end through a 10nF series capacitor as in the example circuit in [1]. Inside the front end, this oscillator is

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect you will find that the phase noise floor of the distribution system does indeed matter. Likely the easy way to go: Square the TCXO up with a biased CMOS inverter (at least as fast as a 74AC04). Run a seperate inverter to drive each of the receivers. A hex inverter chip would

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Henry Hallam
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: The TCXO output waveform is presumably a clipped sinewave as required by the SE4120L? I posted the waveform at http://www.pericynthion.org/stuff/KT3225_500mV_per_div.jpg Does that count as clipped sine? If not,

Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouser project?

2010-08-04 Thread Heathkid
If there are multiple Mouser projects... which one is best (least backordered parts) and highest quality parts? Please send a link. Thank you in advance. Has anyone started updating the project to include substitutes? 73 Brice KA8MAV - Original Message - From: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The GPS receiver chip actually specifies that a clipped sinewave should be used. Presumably this is necessary to limit the harmonic contents. In which case low pass filtering the CMOS outputs may be necessary. The 74AHC04 or equivalent may be a better choice as its ground and Vcc bounce is

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Henry Hallam wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: The TCXO output waveform is presumably a clipped sinewave as required by the SE4120L? I posted the waveform at http://www.pericynthion.org/stuff/KT3225_500mV_per_div.jpg Does that

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The phase noise floor of the HC is *much* higher than the floor of the AC gates. The main reason it specifies clipped sine is that's what the cheap TCXO's put out. Bob On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: The GPS receiver chip actually specifies that a clipped sinewave

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Is that also true for AHC devices which otherwise have similar characteristics (apart from ground bounce) to AC devices? Bruce Bob Camp wrote: Hi The phase noise floor of the HC is *much* higher than the floor of the AC gates. The main reason it specifies clipped sine is that's what the

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: In which case a linear distribution amplifier is probably required. With only a ~3V supply available, options for the distribution amplifier topology are somewhat limited. In principle you could use an emitter follower driving 4 other emitter followers with a resistor

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer / distribution amplifier for TCXO

2010-08-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It's a speed thing. The faster silicon based CMOS is , the quieter it seems to be. Bob On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Is that also true for AHC devices which otherwise have similar characteristics (apart from ground bounce) to AC devices? Bruce Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] buffer amp transformers...

2010-08-04 Thread k6rtm
I think I'm a time-nut; as symptoms I include (1) a lot of Mini-Circuits parts on my bench, (2) searches on eBay for Mini-Circuits goodies, and (3) the desire to know how my LPRO, 10811, and Thunderbolt are different, and how much better a Thunderbolt would be with a 10811 double-oven in it...

Re: [time-nuts] buffer amp transformers...

2010-08-04 Thread Henry Hallam
The spec sheet lists them as being good to 10MHz; would they be ok at 16MHz with a little more loss, or should I worry about resonances with parasitic capacitance? 73 de Henry M0HMH in Santa Cruz On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: I think I'm a time-nut; as symptoms I

Re: [time-nuts] buffer amp transformers...

2010-08-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
For this application you'll need a bandwidth of somewhat more than 10MHz to preserve the clock slew rate. Those transformers are better suited to sinewave operation at 5 or 10MHz. If one uses a pair of transformers (one for the feedback and one to isolate the output) then wider bandwidth 1:1