Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

2010-08-27 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 16:47, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: Hi Jim, Yes, it would be a lot of work to write Wiki style articles on all list topics. The point of wikis is that people write what they know, if they have the will to write about it, and when they have the time. Another option

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread Hal Murray
[VOR vs DF] doh,, of course... Brains are weird. They often get stuck in the wrong mode. Optical illusions are a good example. When I first saw this thread, my reaction was Try a sundial. When I started typing in a response, I got flipped to the other mode and couldn't figure out how that

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread gonzo .
All the fire towers I've been in have a plumb line in the centre of the room and circular graduated ring above window height. When the spotter sees something of interest, all (s)he has to do is stand behind the string and make a report. ian

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread Neville Michie
I never found a better method than observing a circumpolar star at night with a theodolite and an almanac to find South or North. You then find a distant object known as the referred object, and find its azimuth. From then on at that station you can use the RO to set your azimuth. At home

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect that the term fire tower was being used in the generic sense. More or less any tower with a deck on a hill top is a fire tower. Bob On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:50 AM, gonzo . cadbl...@hotmail.com wrote: All the fire towers I've been in have a plumb line in the centre of the room

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread jimlux
Thomas A. Frank wrote: I would suggest you buy an old surveying transit. This is what largely they were intended for. ANd with a transit, you can easily see Polaris in the day time. Here's an article discussing how to do it http://www.cadastral.com/cad-polr.htm skip down to the section on

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com snip It seems strange, with all those satellites, whose position is known with such accuracy, that we can not get an accurate azimuth, but then we do not have a sighting device to observe a referred object or satellites.

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding

2010-08-27 Thread Jim Cotton
Back in the early 1980's when attending college I worked on a single axis multi-mode fiber optic rate gyro project that used GRIN fiber. Back then a military three axis unit based on single mode fiber was alleged to be a little larger than a one inch cube and cost slightly less than a

[time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I've been digging around at acc.igs.org. They seem to think that their clock models are good to below 0.05 ns. They compare that to a 2 ns number for the as broadcast models. 2 ns is a pretty familiar number if you look at a lot of TBolt plots. All of their data is online and available for

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: The ultimate is a carrier phase GPS Timing receiver. The early work was done using Ashtech Z12 models that have a provision for an external 10 MHz oscillator. I have a feeling that the units you're talking about are a refinement of this approach. The new L5 frequency of GPS,

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: Here's an interesting sidebar: Precision Modeling for Orbit Determination http://www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/summer2002/02_sidebar2.html from the web page: Orbit Determination and Satellite Navigation http://www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/summer2002/04.html I didn't know

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread WarrenS
Thanks Bob, Interesting stuff. Has anybody else dug into any of this? I have no experience with using LI/L2, or how good it is, But as far as making Tbolt's better, No problem to make them 2 or 3X better all the time, by going to an external better optimized controller algorithm. Lady

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Hal Murray
I didn't know the Moon tides can change the elevation of LA by 40 cm! Yup, tides in solid rock. I think it's been mentioned here before, probably more than once. There are two cases that I know about where it really matters: Radio Astronomy If you are doing VLBI, you need to know the

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread jimlux
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bob: Here's an interesting sidebar: Precision Modeling for Orbit Determination http://www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/summer2002/02_sidebar2.html from the web page: Orbit Determination and Satellite Navigation

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
You'd think that something at the edge of a continent that moved up and down that much every month would break off. Wait, it's rock all the way down. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Brooke Clarke Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:34 PM ---snip--- I didn't know the Moon tides can

[time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Some how I seem to be disconnected from the list. I suspect something is amiss with my local mail server The issue of how to really improve accuracy is indeed whack a mole sort of stuff. Averaging better data is always a good start, but only if it's better data. Since the data is not

[time-nuts] FTS 1000B

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Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/27/2010 07:03 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bob: The ultimate is a carrier phase GPS Timing receiver. The early work was done using Ashtech Z12 models that have a provision for an external 10 MHz oscillator. I have a feeling that the units you're talking about are a refinement of this