Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread mike cook
Le 29/08/2010 04:26, Hal Murray a écrit : Have a pair of Z3801a receivers and GPSCon. The running time readout for both is greater than 16,000. They were around 5,000 when I got them from somewhere south of here. I assume the units are hours, but my copy of the manual doesn't say what the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Mike Feher
I do not know how to read out the run time, but, one of mine has been running continuously for about 8 or more years now just since I have owned it. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

[time-nuts] High resolution temperatur sensor ?

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Krengel
Hi group watching tbolts disciplining it shows that is has a low resolution temperatur sensor only which can be replaced by a high res. one. Is there any document what typ it is and how to change it? Thank you regards Peter, DG4EK ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Mike Feher
Can I do that from SatStat? Well, you are right, there have been a few power outages, but, hardly long enough to make any difference in the total run time :). - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] High resolution temperatur sensor ?

2010-08-29 Thread Didier Juges
Google time-nuts thunderbolt temperature sensor Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Krengel Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:22 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] High resolution temperatur sensor ?

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Mike, Can I do that from SatStat? If you can't then you can do it with my free Z38XX. Best regards Ulrich -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Feher Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. August 2010 13:25 An:

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Mike Feher
Thanks Ulrich - I have been meaning to try your software anyway. Hope to find some time for it soon. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ulrich

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/29/2010 03:55 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, I had a little bit too much time at hand this weekend and read a bit about H masers. I was quite astonished to see how simple these devices actually are. The electronics are basically a simple matter these days (thanks to the abundance of GHz

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4c7a6b01.3030...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 08/29/2010 03:55 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: It's a complicated field and several traps to fall into on the way. It is a fairly sizeable project to attempt. Well, as with so much else, it depends what the level of

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:13:21 +0200 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 08/29/2010 03:55 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Does anyone know whether any of those people collected their results somewhere? And if, where i could find them? The physical package is definitely where most

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:05:05 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 4c7a6b01.3030...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 08/29/2010 03:55 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: It's a complicated field and several traps to fall into on the way. It is a fairly sizeable

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
Merci beaucoup, mike. I hadn't done the right record-keeping to discover the actual units. They've been running for 6-7 years, not two, so that works out. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: mike cook Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:44 AM Le 29/08/2010 04:26, Hal Murray a écrit :

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Dan Rae
My Z3801A is quite happy still plugging along at 35,208 units of life time... dr ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread J. Forster
If you took a modern approach by using factory built test equipment as building blocks (microwave synthesizer, lock-in amp, power supplies, etc) and commercial vacuum components (pumps, valves, fittings, controllers, etc. in Conflat or something like it), you could likely build up most of a system

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 57157.12.6.201.2.1283100706.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. Fors ter writes: In thinking about it, it would be a terrific project to run with LabView! Rubbish, LabView would _never_ be able to do that. PLEASE! Don't tempt me further!! Ooops, sorry! :-) Poul-Henning --

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread jimlux
J. Forster wrote: If you took a modern approach by using factory built test equipment as building blocks (microwave synthesizer, lock-in amp, power supplies, etc) and commercial vacuum components (pumps, valves, fittings, controllers, etc. in Conflat or something like it), you could likely build

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread J. Forster
[snip] complicating aspect is the self-tuning stuff for which several strategies may be chosen. I'd start here at getting a cavity that is resonant at the frequency at all. Getting sub-milimeter precision in tooling is quite easy (given you have the tools and knowledge, or can pay someone

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread J. Forster
I used to read Strong's book as bedtime reading. WARNING: There are few things more addictive than collecting: Conflat Vacuum Fittings Standard Taper Glassware and worst: Linos (Spindler Hoyer) MicroBench and NanoBench optical breadboarding. BE WARNED! -John == J. Forster

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread EWKehren
Do we know any thing about the Neuchatel design for Galileo? Bert Kehren In a message dated 8/29/2010 11:05:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message 4c7a6b01.3030...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 08/29/2010 03:55 PM, Attila Kinali wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 3e227.34d2ee82.39abf...@aol.com, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: Do we know any thing about the Neuchatel design for Galileo? Bert Kehren There are plenty of papers about it. They started out with an active design, and got it inside spec (power/weight) but found that the performance was not

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread J. Forster
This is very true. Norman Ramsey built one out of aluminum. It was at least 6 feet in diameter and 8 feet long, at a guess. When I frequented that lab (mid-late 80s), it was too big to get it out the door room so had shelves inside to store equipment. It was inside a giant wooden crate, easily 10'

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread jimlux
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 3e227.34d2ee82.39abf...@aol.com, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: Do we know any thing about the Neuchatel design for Galileo? Bert Kehren There are plenty of papers about it. They started out with an active design, and got it inside spec (power/weight) but found

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Chuck Harris
jimlux wrote: J. Forster wrote: If you took a modern approach by using factory built test equipment as building blocks (microwave synthesizer, lock-in amp, power supplies, etc) and commercial vacuum components (pumps, valves, fittings, controllers, etc. in Conflat or something like it), you

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS

2010-08-29 Thread bg
Hi, Hi I've been digging around at acc.igs.org. They seem to think that their clock models are good to below 0.05 ns. They compare that to a 2 ns number for the as broadcast models. 2 ns is a pretty familiar number if you look at a lot of TBolt plots. All of their data is online and

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread EWKehren
Any links to reading material, would be nice to learn what they did to get a small package and how small is it? Bert Kehren In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:03:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message 3e227.34d2ee82.39abf...@aol.com, ewkeh...@aol.com writes:

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Bruce Griffiths
http://www.spectratime.com/product_downloads/PTTI_FCS_2005.pdf ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Any links to reading material, would be nice to learn what they did to get a small package and how small is it? Bert Kehren In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:03:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Mark Kahrs
The Hahvahd physics dept. has all number of interesting papers. For example there's Humphrey's dissertation:www.physics.harvard.edu/Thesespdfs/humphrey.pdf If you've ever wanted to make your own Rb cell, how about this one?cfa-www.harvard.edu/~dphil/work/coat.pdf

[time-nuts] Homebrew H Maser

2010-08-29 Thread Corby Dawson
After keeping an old EFOS 2 H maser running the last couple or three years here are a few bits of advice. -The triple magnetic shields are VERY important. The first time I removed the top shield to access the RF section the Maser stopped oscillating! Replacing the shield restored oscillations!

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread Bruce Griffiths
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper14.pdf Bruce Griffiths wrote: http://www.spectratime.com/product_downloads/PTTI_FCS_2005.pdf ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Any links to reading material, would be nice to learn what they did to get a small package and how small is it? Bert Kehren In

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew H maser

2010-08-29 Thread jimlux
Chuck Harris wrote: jimlux wrote: J. Forster wrote: If you took a modern approach by using factory built test equipment as building blocks (microwave synthesizer, lock-in amp, power supplies, etc) and commercial vacuum components (pumps, valves, fittings, controllers, etc. in Conflat or

[time-nuts] Z3801A version issues - was Re: Substitute GPS in a Z3801A

2010-08-29 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I believe I've found a difference between the faulty units and the working units... The faulty ones come up as 1/1/1997 when you do :SYSTEM:PRESET, the good ones come up as 1/1/1998. Does this difference ring any bells for anyone? Matthew Kaufman On 6/24/2010 8:41 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-29 Thread Hal Murray
mike.c...@orange.fr said: Units are three hour periods - See the 58503B Operation and programming guide, 5-71 HP were pretty confident in the lifetime of their product as they allow a 4Gig count before rollover. Thanks. I wonder why they tossed in the factor of 3. Hours seems like a fine

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew H Maser

2010-08-29 Thread John Miles
After keeping an old EFOS 2 H maser running the last couple or three years here are a few bits of advice. -The triple magnetic shields are VERY important. The first time I removed the top shield to access the RF section the Maser stopped oscillating! Replacing the shield restored

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew H Maser

2010-08-29 Thread Didier Juges
I'll dig them up and see if anyone could host them on a website. (Files are quite large!) It would be great if you could upload these to the Manuals page at www.ko4bb.com. That would be great. If the files are really big (over 100MB) and if your internet access is not truly broadband, you

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew H Maser

2010-08-29 Thread J. Forster
Yes and no. I watched while a cryogenic MASER experiment was done at Harvard. First off, a H MASER built at Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, was set up and a GPS set up as a comparison. This was late 1980s. That MASER was used as a reference for a synthesizer which was swept a Hertz two

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew H Maser

2010-08-29 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Didier Juges did...@cox.net wrote: I'll dig them up and see if anyone could host them on a website. (Files are quite large!) It would be great if you could upload these to the Manuals page at www.ko4bb.com. That would be great. If the files are really big

[time-nuts] HP-5342A Questions

2010-08-29 Thread Mark Gulbrandsen
I recently aquired an HP- 5342A microwave counter. It has a blown fuse on the 10 to 500 meg input jack. Does anyone know the correct value of this fuse? I assume it's a Pico Fuse and I do find a fuse listed for the A-2 board that is .1 amp @ 125 volts fast blow. However, the fuse which is

[time-nuts] PICTIC II chip order, CLOSED.

2010-08-29 Thread Robert Darlington
Just an update. Ordering of the PICTIC II chips from me is now closed. I might do a run in a few months if there is demand. I'll get the chips ordered tonight or tomorrow and will do my best to get them out to you guys by the end of next weekend. Just an FYI for those that are interested,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A version issues - was Re: Substitute GPS in a Z3801A

2010-08-29 Thread mike cook
would that have shown up in a firmware version id change? try *IDN? and see if there is any correlation Matthew. Le 30/08/2010 03:23, paul swed a écrit : I seem to remember a rollover about then that obsoleted older gps units. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Matthew