Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread scmcgrath
When audio/video time code is specified if its on a audio track its called LTC or Longitudinal Time Code and is generally IRIG-B, This is very uncommon these days as it went out of common use about the time 1 reel to reel was discontinued. Most common today on NTSC is VITC or vertical

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread jimlux
scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: When audio/video time code is specified if its on a audio track its called LTC or Longitudinal Time Code and is generally IRIG-B, This is very uncommon these days as it went out of common use about the time 1 reel to reel was discontinued. IRIG is uncommon in

[time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread jimlux
I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be used to receive an external frequency reference (nominally a real clean sine wave at, say, 10 MHz, although up to 100 MHz is possible) and turn it into a real clean square wave. Galvanic isolation is a plus (a transformer or

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Wenzel has some discussion and circuits at: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/waveform.html. The Shera GPSDO made clever use of the input circuit of a 74HCT4046 PLL chip for squaring. John On 12/8/2010 10:31 AM, jimlux wrote: I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread jimlux
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Wenzel has some discussion and circuits at: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/waveform.html. The Shera GPSDO made clever use of the input circuit of a 74HCT4046 PLL chip for squaring. John Doh... I was thinking that there was some vendor with ap notes on

Re: [time-nuts] Another GPS .. this is a true boatanchor

2010-12-08 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hi Pete, I have that Raytheon QFHA Quadrofiliar Helix-Antenna, bought as used part. This antenna is really good and does an excellent job directly connected to Trimble Thunderbolt (5V alim.)! The cable can be fed Inside via the mounting thread part, enjoy it, Arnold Am 03.12.2010 23:31, schrieb

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread scmcgrath
Thanks for update on current LTC usage!. In the studios I worked in in college with the old type-c decks we did use IRIG-B but even then everyone was moving to VITC. As editing was moving away from the razor blade and tape era to deck to deck on U-Matic decks! Scott Sent from my Verizon

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread Chris Albertson
Adding time code to video would be redundant. All video is already time coded. It turns out the time code is required to support editing. Editors don't actually move bits of video data around. What they do is create and modify an EDL which is a text file with a list of all the cuts and effects

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Rick Karlquist
jimlux wrote: I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be used to receive an external frequency reference (nominally a real clean sine wave at, say, 10 MHz, although up to 100 MHz is possible) and turn it into a real clean square wave. Galvanic isolation is a plus (a

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Rick Karlquist
The document cited is full of plausible sounding but misleading information, if you want really low jitter. This type of oversimplification of the problem was present when the HP53131 series counters were designed, with the result that the Allan deviation of an external 10 MHz reference is

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Darlington
Just an FYI guys, I'm pretty sure the 3rd circuit down on the Wenzel page is identical to the input circuit for the TAPR TADD-2 frequency divider. The TADD-2 adds a transformer and load resistor. Schematic is in the manual here: http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/TADD-2_Manual.pdf -Bob On Wed, Dec 8,

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread scmcgrath
Professional cameras have a integrated VITC generator which in addition to the time add the frame index to the time code which allows for creation of frame level Edit Decision Lists. Consumer cameras cheat and synthesize time. If you run a consumer tape through a professional system you will

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I can confirm that -- that's where I found it (and my schematic in the TADD-2 manual gives credit to Wenzel)! I chose that design mainly because it worked over a wide range of input levels. John On 12/8/2010 12:48 PM, Robert Darlington wrote: Just an FYI guys, I'm pretty sure the 3rd

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread jimlux
Rick Karlquist wrote: jimlux wrote: I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be used to receive an external frequency reference (nominally a real clean sine wave at, say, 10 MHz, although up to 100 MHz is possible) and turn it into a real clean square wave. Galvanic isolation

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread jimlux
Chris Albertson wrote: Adding time code to video would be redundant. All video is already time coded. All *digital* video is timecoded.. Record that video on an analog 1/2 or 3/4 deck and you need the timecode on the longitudinal audio track. Yes, primarily as you say, to support editing.

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One problem with this circuit is that tolerances in the resistors produce an offset between the 2 transistor bases in addition to any transistor mismatch, It's better to share a single divider and short (eg a transformer winding. Or at least connect them with a low impedance at low

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Assuming a transformer coupled input (with biasing via a secondary center tap) why not use a fast differential PECL to CMOS level translator? For example, the IDT ICS508 will take 0.3 to 1.0 V p-p input and give 2.5, 3.3, or 5 V swing on the output. The chip works down to DC and keeps the duty

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One caveat with driving a CMOS gate input is that if it is overdriven so that the input protection circuit diodes conduct then the output jitter may increase substantially. At least this appears to happen when overdriving 74HC04 inverters. Once the input diodes conduct (5MHz sine wave input)

[time-nuts] Time reference for recording...

2010-12-08 Thread Burt I. Weiner
There has been times in the past where I needed to make broadcast off-air recording that needed positive time indication. In those cases I would record the station's audio on one track and one of the WWV's on the other. I would start my recording early or let it run past the end of the

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One can estimate the resultant jitter from the input slew rate and the circuit noise and bandwidth. Too much bandwidth with a slow input slew rate increases the jitter substantially over that possible with an optimal circuit. Bruce Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Assuming a transformer coupled

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/08/2010 02:27 PM, scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: When audio/video time code is specified if its on a audio track its called LTC or Longitudinal Time Code and is generally IRIG-B, This is very uncommon these days as it went out of common use about the time 1 reel to reel was discontinued.

Re: [time-nuts] Time Code generator

2010-12-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/08/2010 07:18 PM, jimlux wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: Adding time code to video would be redundant. All video is already time coded. All *digital* video is timecoded.. No, not all digital video. The time-code is optional in many of the transfer formats. Record that video on an

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Rick Karlquist
ECL has a high phase noise floor in the -140s. Other than that, it works fine. Rick Karlquist Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Assuming a transformer coupled input (with biasing via a secondary center tap) why not use a fast differential PECL to CMOS level translator? For example, the IDT ICS508

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Rick Karlquist
Yes, and thus if you are going to use a comparator or line receiver (not recommended), then you should use the SLOWEST one that still works, if you want to optimize jitter. This is because the noise bandwidth is less. Bruce Griffiths wrote: One can estimate the resultant jitter from the input

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/08/2010 06:28 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: jimlux wrote: I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be used to receive an external frequency reference (nominally a real clean sine wave at, say, 10 MHz, although up to 100 MHz is possible) and turn it into a real clean square

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/08/2010 09:13 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Yes, and thus if you are going to use a comparator or line receiver (not recommended), then you should use the SLOWEST one that still works, if you want to optimize jitter. This is because the noise bandwidth is less. For optimum result you need to

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Javier Herrero
I was thinking about how good or how bad would result the use of an LVDS line receiver ... but it is only a though :) Regards, Javier El 08/12/2010 19:50, Robert LaJeunesse escribió: Assuming a transformer coupled input (with biasing via a secondary center tap) why not use a fast

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread Chris Albertson
Of all the ways to square a sine wave I think the best might be to use a PLL. the raising edge of your output square wave would trigger a sample of the input sine wave. The distance from zero volts of that sample is the phase error. The goal is to have the raising edge of the square wave happen

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread John Miles
The Wenzel diff-amp circuit is OK but it will run out of steam before 100 MHz unless you use different transistors. On the other hand you really have to go out of your way to corrupt the signal at the -125 dBc/Hz level. At that level of play any decent comparator with the necessary slew rate

[time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello The Net: I estimate /B MBD to be in DM79lt, in Westminster, CO. Just NW of Denver. Since I am in FN41sr, my LOB to is: 277.5 degrees ref true North at a distance of 2,907.5 Km or 1806.4 miles. I got the LOB and DX info from the BD2004 software at the www.w1ghz.org site. It

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread paul swed
umm u lost me any help? On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: I estimate /B MBD to be in DM79lt, in Westminster, CO. Just NW of Denver. Since I am in FN41sr, my LOB to is: 277.5 degrees ref true North at a distance of 2,907.5 Km or 1806.4

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I assume we're talking about a NDB (non directional beacon). This time of year is pretty good for low frequency stuff. The thunderstorms die down and you can really hear a *long* ways. The path you are talking about is quite possible. Bob On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Stan, W1LE
Sorry for the confusion, Not a non directional beacon (NDB) , but rather a part 15 beacon on 137 KHz. some recent posts include : On 12/8/2010 3:55 PM, C. Turner wrote: I tried detecting MBD/QRSS30 from Utah - but nothing heard/seen. Beacon MBD is on now, at 187.517 khz, QRSS30 mode.

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Stan, W1LE
I figured out what I did wrong. I cross posted from the lowfer reflector. Please disregard. I will be more careful in the future. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi And take away all the fun of guessing what's going on If you can indeed track a 1W signal from ~ Colorado, there might indeed be some timing use for the system. Bob On Dec 8, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Stan, W1LE wrote: I figured out what I did wrong. I cross posted from the lowfer

Re: [time-nuts] MBD /B

2010-12-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
Darn, I was sure that was a coded message to space saying it was safe to bring the Mother Ship in because we were all distracted by tax cuts for the rich. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Stan, W1LE Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:32 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

[time-nuts] Got 60HZ?

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Poulos
Recently I bought a Efratom Ru frequency standard from eBay and a frequency divider chip that makes 1MHZ,100KHZ,25KHZ,10KHZ,100HZ and a 1HZ output. Today I thought of a way to make a nice 60HZ so you can use a mains-powered clock for the display (using amplifier and transformer wired

[time-nuts] GPS antenna info needed

2010-12-08 Thread Perry Sandeen
My magnetic base hockey puck amplified GPS antenna for my Lucent receiver died. I had purchased it at the Dayton Hamvention so I don’t remember the dealer. I’ve found quite a few sellers on Amazon that are in the USA and their prices are all about the same. Does anyone have a recommendation?

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna info needed

2010-12-08 Thread Henry Hallam
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: My magnetic base hockey puck amplified GPS antenna for my Lucent receiver died. I had purchased it at the Dayton Hamvention so I don’t remember the dealer. I’ve found quite a few sellers on Amazon that are in the USA

Re: [time-nuts] Got 60HZ?

2010-12-08 Thread John Miles
Recently I bought a Efratom Ru frequency standard from eBay and a frequency divider chip that makes 1MHZ,100KHZ,25KHZ,10KHZ,100HZ and a 1HZ output. Today I thought of a way to make a nice 60HZ so you can use a mains-powered clock for the display (using amplifier and transformer wired