Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Chris Albertson
What I was talking about was the process to move the project forward, not design or requirements details. So my list of moduals was just to show what a list of modulas might look like, not to suggest those exact ones. Jumping ahead to design. No one wants a serial RS232 interface. they don't ev

[time-nuts] counter

2010-12-16 Thread Don Latham
A cursory look around produced counters and dividers from: http://www.lsicsi.com There are probably comparable units available elsewhere. I know that rfbay has some microwave dividers, and Hittite as well, although Hittite is a bit expensive. Don -- "Neither the voice of authority nor the weigh

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Bownes
Very good points. For the core counter, are you talking about an interval counter or a more generic two input, tell the CPU what to do with the inputs kind of model? :) USB certainly would be the interface of choice, but serial also has it's place. The joy is there is less software to write. That

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Chris Albertson
You can't do anything, not even guess at a price until you have a list of requirements written down. And they need to be detailed. I would break the project down into a set of sub-projects possably like this 1) The "core" counter, just counts, no pre scaler, no display or reference oscillator. c

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Alan Hochhalter
One way to find out if people are interested enough to pledge some money up front is something like this project http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bushing/openvizsla-open-source-usb-protocol-analyzer Alan On 12/16/2010 12:55 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you look in detail at the ups and downs

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Bownes
>From the sounds of it, I'd guess there are enough folks here that could put a QFP or two on boards for those less sure of their talents. That makes doing a run of a dozen or two of anything non bga wouldn't be an issue. As Xtof pointed out, a controller (or a good eye) and an old toaster oven can

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you look in detail at the ups and downs of the TAPR SDR project, it's not one I would want to emulate. If we have a few hundred people interested with cash in hand, this might indeed make sense. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@feb

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread K. Szeker
Hi Chris, Yea, modularity is surely a good way_ I think the most problematic component is the FPGA-eventually memories for that as a host "CPU", the rest can be relative similar, basically good documented interfacing for some other PCBs... Karesz 2010/12/16 Chris Albertson > Here is an example

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Chris Albertson
Here is an example of doing something like this as a open source design by a group of HAMs http://www.tapr.org/kits_janus.html This is a software defined radio but is close to the complexity we are talking about here. It has a d/a converter and fpga and lots of surface mount parts. TAPR is able to

Re: [time-nuts] IRIG-B with Arduino

2010-12-16 Thread Darrell
You've probably already discovered this site, but in case you or others haven't, I get my Arduino goodies from here - http://www.adafruit.com/ and a related site - http://www.ladyada.net/ I've ordered twice and it was quick and easy to Canada Darrell On 10-12-14 10:19 PM, Bruce Lane wro

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Christophe Huygens
LFCSP (QFN) with 0.5mm spacing is very easy to do... have done about a dozen (AD9912) with nil failures using just solder paste, a $50PID controller and a $20 oven. refs all around on the web. You may get a bridge here and there but you can wick them away ;-) easily. QFP has leads so is even ea

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi To get the boards down to a reasonable price, you need to have a project with broad appeal. Spreading $2K setup charges across four boards isn't going to work out very well. The real answer is to find somebody with a good vision system on their basement pick and place system. Bob -Origi

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread K. Szeker
Hi Bob, Clear, itsn`t everybodys "thing", but you can belive me, that an BGA, even with 1mm pitch too, is really nothing for a home lab... Otherwise, I have in the past years hand soldered lot of 0.5mm pitch connectors & QFP ICs too, its not the holyday job for me, bud with a litle experience is d

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi >From what I have seen of hand soldered 0.5 mm spaced / several hundred pin packages - not very easy at all, even with pro gear and pro soldering people. Based on the adverse reaction on the list to 14 pin 1 mm spaced parts, I don't think there's much chance of a big QFP being popular. Bob --

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
One can get a lot of FPGA capability in a 200+ pin PQFP package, so let's say that package is adequate. Then there is no need for a custom circuit board. SchmartBoard has a standard 240 pin PQFP board for $20 (http://www.schmartboard.com/index.asp?page=products_qfp). They have BGA boards as wel

Re: [time-nuts] Adjusting accuracy of a Casio G-Shock watch

2010-12-16 Thread Marv Gozum @ JHN
I recall reading an article like this with a formal analyses of various quartz watches. In this NIST worker's analysis, the Timex was most accurate. http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2276.pdf The other article I read had a similar conclusion but was not as quantitative, and localized body heat

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread K. Szeker
Hi Bob, If a 256 ball package is the solution for these FPGA, I would prefer it in 256 QFP-package version-if exists. These will be solderable for the good "home-specialists", bat a BGA (even with "only" 256 balls) is a real problem for home labs... Karesz 2010/12/16 Bob Camp > Hi > > Yes inde

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes indeed, been there done that. Not very hard at all. All you need is the six layer pc board (can be bought), the FPGA (Digikey has them), a few of these and a couple of those. Spend less than $100 and you are in business if the PC board volume is high enough. In this case the next step in

Re: [time-nuts] IRIG-B with Arduino

2010-12-16 Thread Collins, Graham
And don't forget the AtMega88 - not as much memory but you can still pack a lot into it. I think the original Arduino was based on the 88 and the bootloader is still available meaning you can build an Arduino compatible board using the 88, you may still be able to by the 88 chip with the bootload

Re: [time-nuts] TRAK Model 8900-1 GPS Disciplined Freq Std

2010-12-16 Thread Alexander Imas
Hello Greg Many thanks for your response. At least I learned something.. Do you have any idea where I can get this part (GPS synchronizer Model 8901-1 ) ? Do you familiar with any suppliers of TRAKs old products , cause they do not produce it anymore . Thanks again Regards, Alex On Thu, De