Re: [time-nuts] 2nd 5370B

2011-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message aanlktimatp72p6xqnzko7xwlrribwoktf0r55qzhc...@mail.gmail.com, Pete Lancashire writes: This one makes fan noises the yellow trigger/level LEDs light up but the LEDs controlled buy the CPU don't. One segment of one digit flashes when the power switch is hit. Both were advertised as

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
- Original Message From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 4:00:43 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? The Chirp-z transform (Bluestein) is also useful when you want a small

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
- Original Message From: Henk h...@deriesp.demon.nl To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:19:38 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? Wavecrest uses

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread jimlux
On 2/9/11 3:17 AM, Tijd Dingen wrote: (if you want some ancient FORTRAN IV code for this, I've probably got a listing in a box out in the garage from the 70s) Does this box also happen to contain verilog code for it? I don't think Verilog was even a gleam in the inventors' eyes back in

Re: [time-nuts] 2nd 5370B

2011-02-09 Thread William H. Fite
The language is Elvish and says, Can you believe that sucker bought this piece of crap? OK, OK, only teasing. [?] On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dkwrote: In message aanlktimatp72p6xqnzko7xwlrribwoktf0r55qzhc...@mail.gmail.com, Pete Lancashire writes:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt behaviour with long time constants.

2011-02-09 Thread WarrenS
Looks to be mostly a plot of the 5370B's noise floor at low taus. You may need something a couple of decades better if you want to measure the Tbolt at that tau setting. BTW, You should NOT set the TBolt's TC to 999 sec. I have found that the control can become somewhat unpredictable, AKA

[time-nuts] HP 5370B manual - missing page

2011-02-09 Thread Roberto Barrios
Hello, I’m re-building the User Service manual for the 53070B counter, cleaning the pages and stitching all the schematics so they are easier to read. I’ve found several different manuals on the internet but all of them are missing the page fifth part of page 8-99, which folds out on page 297

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B manual - missing page

2011-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message bay146-ds4f2c6323b4ea3f3ad2f96b2...@phx.gbl, Roberto Barrios wri tes: I belive the pdf file is made from my manual, so presumably that part of the page should still be physically in it, so if nothing else I can scan a copy of that... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Henk
Hi Fred, A METHOD OF SERIAL DATA JITTER ANALYSIS USING ONE-SHOT TIME INTERVAL MEASUREMENTS is in the white paper section of GigaMax 'tecnical resources'. They split GigaMax from Wavecrest, probably after some bad financial times. The Wavecrest white papers are now at GigaMax. Henk Op 9 feb

[time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hi everyone. I own an HP 5370A. I do GPIB and Labview, KE5FX Utilities, DF6JB's Plotter, spreadsheets etc. Always looking to improve my setup... Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? Thanks in advance,

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 699621.92879...@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, Bert, VE2ZAZ write s: Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? Faster measurements (but not quite as precise) and zero dead-time measurements. See for

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bert, On 09/02/11 19:56, Bert, VE2ZAZ wrote: Hi everyone. I own an HP 5370A. I do GPIB and Labview, KE5FX Utilities, DF6JB's Plotter, spreadsheets etc. Always looking to improve my setup... Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Henk, On 08/02/11 22:19, Henk wrote: Hi, Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. In Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at High-Speed by Mike Peng Li, Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-242961-6 it is covered in pages 200-207.

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 19:11, Henk wrote: Hi Fred, A METHOD OF SERIAL DATA JITTER ANALYSIS USING ONE-SHOT TIME INTERVAL MEASUREMENTS is in the white paper section of GigaMax 'tecnical resources'. They split GigaMax from Wavecrest, probably after some bad financial times. The Wavecrest white papers are

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
If you've got one, it can be hard to justify buying the other unless you have some very specific requirements. There's a lot of overlap between them. I have a 5372A and have wondered if it's worth getting a 5370(A or B). So far, the answer for me is no. Here are a few things that I've used

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B manual - missing page

2011-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message bay146-ds4f2c6323b4ea3f3ad2f96b2...@phx.gbl, Roberto Barrios wri tes: I belive this is the bit you are missing: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/hp5370b-p8-99.pdf -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Ed, excellent email. You raise the SNR of this forum! I have tried to measure the CW-12 output myself with phase noise and Allan Deviation equipment, and the constant cycle jumps prevent these from giving sensible results. Both PN and ADEV plots look awful, many orders of magnitude

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi We really do need a simple app to extend the 5371 and 5372 for longer time ranges. If there's one out there, I've certainly missed it as I've looked around. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ed, excellent email. You raise the SNR of this forum! Thanks Said. It's rare that I have a chance to contribute. Many of these discussions are way over my head, but I'm learning. I have tried to measure the CW-12 output myself with phase noise and Allan

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 22:14, Ed Palmer wrote: I routinely use the 5372A to make multiple 1 sec. measurements of frequency or time interval and then dump the results via GPIB for analysis. Standard stuff for either the 5370 or 5372 except as mentioned elsewhere, these measurements are made with no dead

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 22:36, Bob Camp wrote: Hi We really do need a simple app to extend the 5371 and 5372 for longer time ranges. If there's one out there, I've certainly missed it as I've looked around. A very simple way is to trigger measurements regularly (say 10 Hz) and then read-out the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
The only chance would be to use the binary programming mode, but it would only be worthwhile if it would maintain the zero-deadtime capability. I don't know how to confirm if it does or doesn't. It's on my 'round tuit' list to play with, but it won't be happening any time soon. Did you

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
Henk wrote: Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. Henk, the paper you mentioned put me on the right track. Thanks. :) Magnus wrote: In Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at High-Speed by Mike Peng Li, Prentice Hall,

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 23:08, Tijd Dingen wrote: Henk wrote: Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. Henk, the paper you mentioned put me on the right track. Thanks. :) Magnus wrote: In Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/02/11 22:14, Ed Palmer wrote: I routinely use the 5372A to make multiple 1 sec. measurements of frequency or time interval and then dump the results via GPIB for analysis. Standard stuff for either the 5370 or 5372 except as mentioned elsewhere, these measurements

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread John Miles
Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? The 5370A/B is nice because its one-shot resolution is better than any other HP/Agilent counter, prior to the release of the 532xxA models a few months ago. Also,

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
From a news release issued by the FCC today: The FCC Enforcement Bureau today announced new efforts to clamp down on the marketing, sale, and use of illegal cellphone and GPS jamming devices. See http://www:fcc.gov Best regards, Charles ___

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread J. Forster
Well, isn't that just so SPECIAL! I'm sure terrorists and other bad guys will comply fully. This makes about as much sense as ECAP to stop snooping on cell calls. YMMV, -John == From a news release issued by the FCC today: The FCC Enforcement Bureau today announced new

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: From a news release issued by the FCC today: The FCC Enforcement Bureau today announced new efforts to clamp down on the marketing, sale, and use of illegal cellphone and GPS jamming devices. Why would

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread wa1zms
If you think you're being tracked by the police or a private-eye (ie: ugly divorce!) one might think that a GPS jammer would be to their advantage. Buy one on e-bay and you think all is OK. -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt behaviour with long time constants.

2011-02-09 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks for the comments.I did a quick check of the noise floor of the 5370b while feeding the 10 mhz output of the tbolt to the start and stop inputs of the 5370b with a t connector. At a tau of 10 (approx 2.5 seconds) the Allan deviation is 1x10-11, at a tau of 100 (approx 25 seconds) it

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread jimlux
On 2/9/11 2:08 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: The autocorrelation processing is O(N^2) while the DFT can be done in O(N log N) when using FFT. As usual these can be implemented in reversed order such that first the FFT is done to the phase jitter and auto-correlation can be found using O(N)

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread jimlux
On 2/9/11 5:41 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: From a news release issued by the FCC today: The FCC Enforcement Bureau today announced new efforts to clamp down on the marketing, sale, and use of illegal

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread ehydra
LeCroy has a paper with a short explanation that I found useful: http://www.lecroy.com/files/WhitePapers/WP_TechBrief_Var_of_Time.pdf This look to me very similar to this: http://pstca.com/sampler/index.htm - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info ___