Re: [time-nuts] Equipment question: OCXO versus GPSDO + XTAL

2011-03-19 Thread Hal Murray
In the .01 to 10 second range the OCXO provides a lower noise floor than the TBolt. The TBolt provides better accuracy. ...although the TBolt itself has an OCXO built-in... The catch is that the software keeps adjusting that OCXO, making it track the GPS signal. That gives you great long

Re: [time-nuts] BYMLBI (Back Yard Medium LBI)

2011-03-19 Thread Hal Murray
Building your own backyard continental drift hardware would be high on the coolness scale. That should be within reason for a semi-nut. All it takes is a good GPS setup. The ballpark motion of the San Andreas fault is an inch per year. Around here (Silicon Valley), it's reasonably common

Re: [time-nuts] BYMLBI (Back Yard Medium LBI)

2011-03-19 Thread Tijd Dingen
How about Planetized Back Yard (*) Medium LBI? If you, the measurement enthusiast, have decent gps hardware + see yourself as 1 point in the LBI + have good timestamps for your measurement + a decent protocol to combine them I would say Radio astronomy for fun profit!. Mostly fun in this

Re: [time-nuts] BYMLBI (Back Yard Medium LBI)

2011-03-19 Thread Eric Garner
Sent from my Banana jr (tm) Mobile Device On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:20 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: http://www.astronomycast.com Episode 211 was a good primer on celestial navigation. It covers time piece construction. Building your own backyard continental drift hardware would be

Re: [time-nuts] Equipment question: OCXO versus GPSDO + XTAL

2011-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Alan variance / short term stability / medium term stability is what will impact your measurements noise. That's not to surprising - noise on the standard gives you noise on the measurement. If for some reason an internal standard is more quiet than an external standard, the internal may

[time-nuts] Supply voltages for the Efratom 105243 10MHz OCXO

2011-03-19 Thread Mike Millen
Can anybody confirm the supply voltages for the Efratom 105243 10MHz OCXO, please? Like this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280558808335 This site indicates +24v for both the oven the oscillator, but I am suspicious of its accuracy. The pinout given in incorrect, I've

Re: [time-nuts] BYMLBI (Back Yard Medium LBI)

2011-03-19 Thread Chris Albertson
It all depend on you latitude. For all we know you might live 0.01 millimeter from the North Pole and your numbers are correct for you location. But the Equator is about 40075160 meters around Divide that by (24*60*60) to get meters per second But what you my be forgetting is that you don't

Re: [time-nuts] BYMLBI (Back Yard Medium LBI)

2011-03-19 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, jimlux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: That's an interesting idea, but I think all the orbit data for GPS satellites is Earth relative rather than star relative.  I wonder if the group that drives the GPS satellites even knows their location relative to the stars.

Re: [time-nuts] Manson RD-146

2011-03-19 Thread shalimr9
Dick, Can you send me the manual, or upload it directly to my manuals page? Thanks es 73, Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 17

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-19 Thread Michael Poulos
Cezary Rozluski wrote: Well – it is nice solution presented, but I would like ask you what would be from time-nuts perspective simple (the simplest ?) solution to drive such 50/60 Hz clocks without to much overweighed stuff (and of course without modifying the clock itself addig e.g step motor

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-19 Thread Michael Poulos
Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Poor man's solution: Use an Arduino to read the Thunderbolt 1PPS and lock a 50Hz (or 60Hz) square wave to the 1PPS. Any resulting jitter can likely be kept in the tens of microsecond range, easily filtered out by the clock mechanics. Filter the square wave a bit and

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Most likely the lowest parts count is to divide to a narrow(ish) 20 Hz square wave and then drive a resonated transformer with a pulse. The output won't look pretty, but it should drive a small clock motor just fine. Done properly, there should be very little power involved. If you are

Re: [time-nuts] Equipment question: OCXO versus GPSDO + XTAL

2011-03-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Since the 53320A TCXO option has a 1s ADEV spec of 1E-9 whereas the OCXO option has a 1s ADEV spec of 1E-11 and the PLL bandwidth is unlikely (no info on the PLL bandwidth available from datasheet) to be very large the OCXO contribution to measurement uncertainty will likely be significantly

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
An OTT solution might employ a regenerative divider to generate a 15MHz signal from a 10MHz input followed by a digital divide by 250,000 circuit. One could employ an inexpensive Gilbert cell mixer in the regenerative divider to keep the cost down. Bruce Bob Camp wrote: Hi Most likely the

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Lucent simply divided the 10 MHz by two and then tripled that in their standard base station gear. Lots of ways to do it. None of them very hard at all. Bob On Mar 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: An OTT solution might employ a regenerative divider to generate a 15MHz

[time-nuts] Supply voltages for the Efratom 105243 10MHz OCXO

2011-03-19 Thread Arthur Dent
Can anybody confirm the supply voltages for the Efratom 105243... The pinout shown is close. The oscillator supply voltage on the one I have in circuit is +15 @ low current. The Oven requires 24VDC @ .25A and this drops to under 100ma when the unit reaches operating temperature. There apparently

Re: [time-nuts] Supply voltages for the Efratom 105243 10MHz OCXO

2011-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The board looks a lot like a pull from a Lucent base station. The voltages would all make sense in that context. The unit swaps in for an LPRO and the 15V would be easy enough to come up with. I'd bet they ran both pins off of +24 though. Bob On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Arthur Dent

[time-nuts] Equipment question: OCXO versus GPSDO + XTAL

2011-03-19 Thread Perry Sandeen
Wrote: It seems like everybody is telling me go for the cheaper, add the OCXO later on if you need it - but that's not what I'm after. What I'd really like to do is to make up my mind based on educated opinions on this list whether the built-in OXCO option offers any advantage at all compared

Re: [time-nuts] Equipment question: OCXO versus GPSDO + XTAL

2011-03-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 3801 is a pretty good box. In some cases I have seen them take months to achieve full stability. The leave powered on at all times rule definitely applies to them. Bob On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Perry Sandeen wrote: Wrote: It seems like everybody is telling me go for the cheaper,

Re: [time-nuts] Result of Earth Quake speeds up earth?

2011-03-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
jimlux wrote: A 10-12m diameter dish is probably close to the minimum feasible aperture. A 4m dish can be made to work in conjunction with a mauch larger dish (eg 30m). The original speculation was for measuring the small change in earth rotation rate, for which some sort of

Re: [time-nuts] Result of Earth Quake speeds up earth?

2011-03-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: jimlux wrote: A 10-12m diameter dish is probably close to the minimum feasible aperture. A 4m dish can be made to work in conjunction with a mauch larger dish (eg 30m). The original speculation was for measuring the small change in earth rotation rate, for which