[time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO
Hello group, after many years (about 12, I think) of faithful continuous operation, my Z3801 failed. I opened it, and found that there was no supply to the main PCB. The power supply board in the Z3801 (and Z3805, 58503A, possibly all the series) is marked 58503-60003. It is a very strange

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread paul swed
Marco like you I had lost one of the dc dc converters. As I recall the 48 5V. I simply replaced it with another I had and the 3801 has been working for years. The board is a complicated board and I have not seen schematics for it. Though it would be quite reasonable to develop them. There is a

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO
Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are some more info in http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_Frequency_Standard.htm

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread paul swed
Actually that is a wide range switcher. But useless given we tend to drive these with a reg 48 V supply. Regards Paul On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO ik1...@spin-it.com wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread bownes
My educated guess is that they expected to sell these to telcos, who traditionally run everything in a central office on -48v and running off of ac was an afterthought. On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:43, Marco IK1ODO ik1...@spin-it.com wrote: Hello group, after many years (about 12, I think) of

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/9/11 7:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are some more info in

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Guess 1: Design it all with the first set of switchers, run it through all the fancy do them one time tests. Get to the last test, fail. Project is now well behind schedule. What's the fast fix? Slap on a wider range / lower emission / better isolation / what ever switcher in front of

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Will Matney
I have a Motorola based 5 MHz unit, that's a rack mount, that's the same, using a 45-48 Vdc supply, and was told at the time it was due to the Telco standard voltage. I use it with my Racal products, as their timebase is at 5 MHz. By the way, this unit was pulled from a cell tower. Best, Will

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/9/11 8:31 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Guess 1: Design it all with the first set of switchers, run it through all the fancy do them one time tests. Get to the last test, fail. Project is now well behind schedule. What's the fast fix? Slap on a wider range / lower emission / better isolation

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/09/2011 05:26 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/9/11 7:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only one who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread SAL CORNACCHIA
Hello all time-Nuts, I have a older Bulovaaccuquartz the hands are not moving any ideas on the problem. Best regards, Sal C. Cornacchia Electronic RF Microwave Engineer (Ret.) The information contained in this e-mail transmission is privileged and/or confidential intended solely for the

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread Morris Odell
Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. This was a very interesting thread. I have worn a

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
In the late 60s I had an inexpensive wristwatch with a cheap leather or plastic wristband. I did not want the enhanced conductivity if a metal band when working with vacuum tube circuits. Where I worked the only clock visible had been rigged to go backwards. But it did keep good time, which is

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread Raj
I dont wear a watch since 25 years or more. Plenty of clocks around and now will cell phone and other personal devices all have clocks. Analog generation *know* the time from the position of the clock hands. By the position of the hands you know how many minutes left to an

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread William H. Fite
I've not been to Beijing but the National Palace Museum in Taipei has some remarkable mechanical clocks, including water clocks. My Significant Other is Taiwanese and whenever I get smug there is nothing like a visit to the NPM to remind me that the Chinese were crafting breathtaking objets d'art

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread David I. Emery
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 08:48:07AM +0530, Raj wrote: Analog generation *know* the time from the position of the clock hands. By the position of the hands you know how many minutes left to an appointment etc. IF you ask them the time then it will take a moment to convert it to words!

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-09 Thread Robert Darlington
Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father.