Re: [time-nuts] TBolt question

2011-07-18 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 02:48:29AM +0200, asma...@fc.up.pt wrote: > I would be most grateful for expanded info about the Lady Heather > red message: > > "OSC age alarm" Sounds to me like it's at the edge of (or even outside of) DAC tuning range. i.e. the Thunderbolt may not be able to di

[time-nuts] TBolt question

2011-07-18 Thread asmagal
Hello! I would be most grateful for expanded info about the Lady Heather red message: "OSC age alarm" Thanks in advance, Antonio CT1TE ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Steve Byan
On Jul 18, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Tom Holmes wrote: > Someone somewhere is making some money off of this [DST] scam. >From an NPR interview with Michael Downing, author of "Spring Forward: The >Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time" >

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 18 Jul 2011, at 05:23 , Tony Finch wrote: > Jose Camara wrote: > >> I think before adding to the fire of UTC1, UTC7 etc. why not just abolish >> this silliness called Daylight Savings Time? If there is any benefit to it, >> just change business operating hours instead. > > If you want to k

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Rob Kimberley
Hi Alan, I "de-anglicised" it for our cousins across the water! :-) -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 18 July 2011 6:15 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Tom Holmes
I just don't see why we need to save daylight; don't we have enough already? Is that not part of the cause of the alleged global warming? And how does shifting the clock by an hour actually save any daylight? OK, so to get slightly more serious, the best argument pushed here in Ohio is that in th

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Rob from memory it was referred to as "Double Summer Time" .looking at my very wet window we should be so lucky!! :-)) Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Rob Kimberley" To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:49 PM Subje

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Jose Camara
If you keep going farther from the equator, than it makes no sense after a while. Above the Artic Circle, when you get 24hrs of daylight, what is the need? And when you get no daylight in a day, should you wake up at sunrise? I just don't agree that the government has to st

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Rob Kimberley
I believe we had double daylight saving over here (UK) during WWII. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: 18 July 2011 5:17 PM To: a...@comcast.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurem

Re: [time-nuts] Rb cooling

2011-07-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, I have seen several Rb's die from what I believe were temperature related causes. Since it's an accelerated MTBF sort of thing, *proving* they were temperature related is difficult. Put another way - I believe the manufacturer's data on MTBF vs temperature is fairly accurate. At elevated

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Mike Naruta AA8K wrote: > If advancing the clocks one hour saves so much daylight, > why not advance the clocks by two hours to save even more? The amount of time to move the clock depends on how far north you live. Days being even longer at high latitudes. I t

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
In Detroit, Michigan, when the auto manufacturing companies discovered that having everyone's shift starting at 8 AM caused huge traffic problems, companies chose non-rounded times. For example, one company starts their shift at 7:40 AM, another starts at 7:25, and so on. This was done without

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread shalimr9
Jose, In many countries, the government has no right to tell companies when they should be open or closed. However, they control when midnight is. Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: "Jose Camara" Sender: time-nuts-b

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Mike S
At 08:23 AM 7/18/2011, Tony Finch wrote... If you want to know why your suggestion doesn't work, David Prerau has collected many many examples. http://www.seizethedaylight.com/ Nope. Not much there but an advertisement. ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Jose Camara
Tony: The book is available at my local library - I'll check it out with an open mind, but I just can't see what would be the difference of telling people they need to go to work 1hr earlier instead of 'fooling' them by changing their clocks. Wikipedia has a long article, too - it

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-18 Thread Tony Finch
Jose Camara wrote: > I think before adding to the fire of UTC1, UTC7 etc. why not just abolish > this silliness called Daylight Savings Time? If there is any benefit to it, > just change business operating hours instead. If you want to know why your suggestion doesn't work, David Prerau has col

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Time Standards

2011-07-18 Thread Tony Finch
Magnus Danielson wrote: > > If you read the fine-print, the SI second is now defined for sea-level gravity > and at 0 K black-body raditation, so compensation for these effects should be > done. The definition of the second is independent of your frame of reference, otherwise it wouldn't be a uni

Re: [time-nuts] Rb cooling

2011-07-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 18/07/11 06:40, Chuck Harris wrote: I understand that, but you didn't answer my question: Has anyone seen any failures that are attributable to heat? 50 year theoretical life vs 75 theoretical year life probably isn't going to be too significant. 1 year life vs 10 year would be. These GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] Rb cooling

2011-07-18 Thread EWKehren
same thoughts almost the same fan mine are 50 mm square and less than 10 mm. Mine are from a dead plasma display. Best regards Bert In a message dated 7/17/2011 10:15:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charles_steinm...@lavabit.com writes: Bert wrote: >Charles sounds like what I am doing. W