[time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread walter shawlee 2
There have been many questions posted here about the units, here are a few answers I have collected: 1. the 8140 can drive up to 25 total downstream 8410T taps on the combined outputs. The mopdels are frequency specific, and are not easily changed, 10Mhz is the most common. The front selector

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
walter shawlee 2 wrote: There have been many questions posted here about the units, here are a few answers I have collected: 1. the 8140 can drive up to 25 total downstream 8410T taps on the combined outputs. The mopdels are frequency specific, and are not easily changed, 10Mhz is the most

Re: [time-nuts] European LORAN-C

2011-07-27 Thread Marco IK1ODO
At 17:37 26/07/2011, you wrote: In message 20110726173114.63txv1m944ss0...@webmail.fc.up.pt, asma...@fc.up.pt writes: Would someone tell me, please, if the Master, at Sellia Marina, or the Slave X, at Lampedusa, of the 79900 Mediterranean Chain are still in operation. As far as I know, they

[time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Jason Rabel
This is only pseudo time-nuts related... I'm wiring up (yet another) net4501 with a Motorola M12 GPS.. This net4501 has the RS232 driver chip there for the 2nd serial port (previous units I purchased didn't, which made life easier for me). Can I solder my GPS tx/rx lines on the ttl side of the

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Chris Albertson
No, you can't simply wire two logic outputs together. One or the other logic state is stronger (Yes I know poor analogy) and wins. The details are here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_logic_connection But it is pretty easy to remove a chip especially if you don't care if you damage it. The

Re: [time-nuts] HP 53310A modulation domain analyzer

2011-07-27 Thread Grant Hodgson
Jose As with most things, it depends. The 53310A was designed and marketed at the RF design community where there was a need to be able to display parameters such as settling time of PLLs and to display frequency-based modulation modes in the time domain. To this end, the 53310A is a superb

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread lists
I don't follow exactly what you are doing here, but 232 receivers are generally TTL compatible. Connecting 232 outputs to logic can't be done. The signal swing is too large, and worse yet, goes negative. You can scale it with resistors and use a diode clamp (Schottky). As a side note, these

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you: 1) Run a reasonable length of coax (say 5 M and 100M) 2) Neglect the 50 ohm termination You can get quite a bit of 10 MHz RF running around on the outside of the coax shield. Depending on grounding it may or may not be a problem. The taps appear to deliver an ADEV of ~ 1x10^-11 at a

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1401727327-1311800995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1457 183595-@b12.c1.bise6.blackberry, li...@lazygranch.com writes: As a side note, these 232 chips have jitter in both the receive and transmit path. It is also not uncommon to see serious tempcos on the delay through the

Re: [time-nuts] European LORAN-C

2011-07-27 Thread paul swed
Sorry to hear pictures would be something to see. So slowly but surely loran C in Europe is going away. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Marco IK1ODO ik1...@spin-it.com wrote: At 17:37 26/07/2011, you wrote: In message

[time-nuts] Efratom M3100

2011-07-27 Thread EWKehren
Just received a Efratom M3100. I have no information and before I power it up I like to know if any one has experience with this unit. Looking at the construction it is definitely mil quality, machined frames, JX and JM parts,mil connector etc. Definitely not a low cost version. Date Code

[time-nuts] Anybody experienced in using a prescaler as a wideband preamp?

2011-07-27 Thread Peter Krengel
Hi group, I know my question is time-nuts of topics but as I know there are some really skilled GHz specialists on the group I like to ask whether somebody made experience using a prescaler MMIC (i.e. up to 12GHz) as a very wideband preamp? Thanks for answering Peter

Re: [time-nuts] European LORAN-C

2011-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAD2JfAjycHu7jP4d4_d3R2BZBM=bxqw+xdm+xrkd9xjaf7l...@mail.gmail.com , paul swed writes: Sorry to hear pictures would be something to see. So slowly but surely loran C in Europe is going away. Well, depends on EU politics, so it is anybodys best guess really. It's a terribly long story,

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody experienced in using a prescaler as a wideband preamp?

2011-07-27 Thread Vadim Demidov
Hi Peter, I don't think you can use a prescaler as an amplifier - for the latter its output signal must be of the same frequency. With best regards, Vadim On 28.07.2011 1:38, Peter Krengel wrote: Hi group, I know my question is time-nuts of topics but as I know there are some really

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm not sure if there's been other data posted, but a few years ago I did phase noise measurements of the 8140T as well as HP 5087A and TADD-1. That info is at http://www.febo.com/pages/amplifier_phase_noise/ I got my hands on a tub full of 8140Ts but don't have the 8140 driver. However,

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8140 distribution amplifier and the Taps- some application info

2011-07-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Based on your data the floor of the taps are a bit lower than I thought. I have only looked at a full system end to end. I was looking at AVAR so the numbers would not compare directly. Very few people have lab standards that run -120 dbc/Hz at a 1 Hz offset. Even fewer instruments have a

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Steve Longcor
The M12 is 3V logic. I assume the net4501 is 5V logic, so you may need level shifting for the connection to work reliably and not damage the M12. Steve On 7/27/2011 2:02 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: No, you can't simply wire two logic outputs together. One or the other logic state is stronger

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody experienced in using a prescaler as a wideband preamp?

2011-07-27 Thread paul swed
I agree this does not make sense. There is a divider in the way so its not a preamp. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Vadim Demidov q...@peterstar.ru wrote: Hi Peter, I don't think you can use a prescaler as an amplifier - for the latter its output signal must be of the same frequency.

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread lists
Note the phrase as a side note. ;-) No way should you connect a TTL output to a 232 output. Ahem (cough cough) as a side note, the 232 jitter is so bad you can see it on a storage scope. It varies from chip to chip, but a microsecond RMS isn't out of the ballpark. --Original

[time-nuts] Anybody experienced in using a prescaler as a wideband preamp?

2011-07-27 Thread Joe Leikhim
It is a digital divider chip. It would be a very non linear device in that application. Sent from my iPod ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the