Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-u-IIXO Question

2011-09-07 Thread Bob Martinson
A Maxim MAX232 chip will do the conversion. Bon, k1REM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard W. Solomon Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 1:35 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-u-IIXO Quest

Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of two clocks

2011-09-07 Thread Ilja Gerhardt
On 09/07/2011 08:42 PM, Bob Bownes wrote: > The simplest method of all would be to put one on the X axis and one > on the Y axis of an o-scope. > > What levels of precision/accuracy are you looking for? I am envisioning s.th. like 10^-15 for Rb/Cs oscillators (=minute timescale) - but I guess it

Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of two clocks

2011-09-07 Thread Bob Bownes
The simplest method of all would be to put one on the X axis and one on the Y axis of an o-scope. What levels of precision/accuracy are you looking for? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Ilja Gerhardt wrote: > Hi time nuts - > > I am new to the list and have a trivial question on the comparison o

[time-nuts] Comparison of two clocks

2011-09-07 Thread Ilja Gerhardt
Hi time nuts - I am new to the list and have a trivial question on the comparison of two clocks: In principle it might be very easy to simply monitor the relative phase-shift of two sine outputs of two clocks, e.g. of two 10MHz outputs. For this, it would be ideal to have a very high frequency, s

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom OCXO ID

2011-09-07 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Petrich > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:54 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Symmetricom OCXO ID > > I know this is one of those questions: I am tryin

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation vs standard deviation

2011-09-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
I was playing with an Agilent 53132 counter, and noticed that it measures "standard deviation" but doesn't seem to offer what everyone really wants, ie, Allan deviation. According to the textbooks, standard deviation won't work for oscillators because the mean is not fixed and the deviation goes

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation vs standard deviation

2011-09-07 Thread John Miles
> I was playing with an Agilent 53132 counter, and noticed that > it measures "standard deviation" but doesn't seem to offer > what everyone really wants, ie, Allan deviation. According > to the textbooks, standard deviation won't work for oscillators > because the mean is not fixed and the deviat

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation vs standard deviation

2011-09-07 Thread Rick Karlquist
saidj...@aol.com wrote: > Hi Rick, > > In my experience the 53132 is not good for ADEV measurements below 100s. > It > is just way too noisy. Now I vaguely remember: the buffer circuit for the external reference is a poor design, because the designers didn't know any better and didn't ask for he

Re: [time-nuts] Allan deviation vs standard deviation

2011-09-07 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Rick, In my experience the 53132 is not good for ADEV measurements below 100s. It is just way too noisy. You can try longer measurement gate and averaging times, but theoretically the SD value should be similar for 100s or 1000s SD measurements if what you are measuring is actually th

[time-nuts] Symmetricom OCXO ID

2011-09-07 Thread John Petrich
I know this is one of those questions: I am trying to identify the voltage requirements for the double oven heater elements to an HP 10811D (type)OCXO from a Symmetricom GPS receiver. The HP s/n is 3505A22776. Both HP and Symmetricom support cannot provide any data. The obvious heater leads me

[time-nuts] Allan deviation vs standard deviation

2011-09-07 Thread Rick Karlquist
I was playing with an Agilent 53132 counter, and noticed that it measures "standard deviation" but doesn't seem to offer what everyone really wants, ie, Allan deviation. According to the textbooks, standard deviation won't work for oscillators because the mean is not fixed and the deviation goes t

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFSRubidiumOscillator

2011-09-07 Thread J. Forster
I have a couple of EG&G units. Roughly 5" cubes. Sorry, I can't access the data at present. I think they were made on the north shore of Boston, Salem or Beverly, maybe. Data was available about 5-8 years ago. -John > Hi > > The "new" name for the location that made them is: > > Per

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFSRubidiumOscillator

2011-09-07 Thread gary
Perkin Elmer bought EGG Reticon. That is only one of many divisions. I used to work there and can tell you we made no frequency references. Other cool stuff though The core of EG&G was a squat office building. Nothing was made there, other than governance. It is a full time job to keep u

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFSRubidiumOscillator

2011-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The "new" name for the location that made them is: Perkin Elmer Optoelectronics 35 Congress St #2921, Salem, MA 01970-7314 I've never seen a division or subsidiary name associated with the Rb's. The part of the company that makes them is part of the original core of the outfit.

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFS RubidiumOscillator

2011-09-07 Thread Alan Melia
I dont know whether it will be any use but the URL below is for the firm that acquired EG&G http://www.signalrecovery.com/InstManualLibrary.htm Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Skip Withrow" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for informat

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFS RubidiumOscillator

2011-09-07 Thread lists
Usually something from EG&G will come from a division of the company. Princeton Applied Research for instance. If you could narrow it down to the actual device builder, you may get better searches. --Original Message-- From: Skip Withrow Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To: time-nuts@

[time-nuts] Looking for information on EG&G TS-RFS Rubidium Oscillator

2011-09-07 Thread Skip Withrow
I have just come across an EG&G TS-RFS Rubidium oscillator and have never seen any information on it. There is a 16-pin connector that is relatively well labeled, but some of the interface signals are still a mystery (like what is the range of the 'DC light', and what is the interface to the 'lock

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-u-IIXO Question

2011-09-07 Thread gary
422 and 485 are balanced, but generally you can cheat and use them on 232. You will have to research the connector pin outs. http://www.aviom.com/library/technical-resources/74_rs-232-rs-422-pinout-information.pdf The unused input has a pull down resistor, so you can float it or ground it. The

[time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-u-IIXO Question

2011-09-07 Thread Richard W. Solomon
One of the output DB-9's says RS-422 on it. Is there a way to convert it to RS-232 so I can use the Software package I found for it ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-

[time-nuts] From Sundials to Atomic Clocks

2011-09-07 Thread Mike Fahmie
On a visit to NIST Boulder (then known as NBS) many years ago (1978), I was presented with a copy of NBS Monograph 155, "From Sundials to Atomic Clocks" by one of the authors. I found it to be a fantastic read, it answers all of those questions about Time & Frequency that you were afraid to as