Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K
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Sent: 21 September 2011 5:34 AM
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GM List
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Howsabout HFC-236fa - very similar properties to R114 but not banned.
Dave
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Of Jim Lux
Sent: 20 September 2011 22:38
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Making a 10811 better
On
Haven't we reached the point where someone mentions Hitler?
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:47:16
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
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Here is the LightSquared Ad that caused all the fuss.
No comment needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKWJbXr1cOY
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Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K
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David J Taylor wrote:
Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K
Please see:
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Cheers,
David
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David,
I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I
Here, I'll top post this, and explain why. It is frequently very difficult to
follow a complex thread due to different indentings, split up messages, some
groups not accepting HTML (like Yahoo's intermittent problems), and just plain
efficiency. I have frequently missed points because I didn't
David,
I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I
communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function
of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), bu
At 06:22 PM 9/20/2011, Bob Camp wrote...
you will need a good temperature test system to figure out weather you
are making things better or worse.
Deliberate misspelling? HAHAHA.
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At 07:43 AM 9/21/2011, Rob Kimberley wrote...
I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I
communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is
only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a
function of
the mail reader that is
I really find it funny (to say the least) that in the XXI century people
concentrate on form rather than content when using such an informal medium as
e-mail.
This resembles professional and academic titles that people insist on appending
to their names. These human beings are all about appeara
On 21/09/2011 13:12, Mike S wrote:
At 07:43 AM 9/21/2011, Rob Kimberley wrote...
I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I
communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a
fun
top posting works very nicely with mail clients that have a preview
screen, as well. And, yes, the whole "threading thing" gets implemented
in a variety of ways (even within the same product). I use, variously,
thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook Web Access (OWA)-lite via Firefox/Safari,
the iPhone
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:27:18 +0100
Miguel Gonçalves wrote:
> I really find it funny (to say the least) that in the XXI
> century people concentrate on form rather than content when
> using such an informal medium as e-mail.
It's not just form. If you have been reading a lot of medium to high
tra
Hello ,
I have a z3801 and trying to use the 1 PPS from the rear panel for the start
input of an HP5370B
This approach seems to work fine until a load is either added or turned off
on the same AC circuit or a nearby circuit.
At which point the hp5370 takes a hit and a trace that had been running
> Just got a quote of $301 for 5 lb. freight and cylinder included. 5 lb.
> would do a lot of 10811's... Probably have to return the cylinder within
> some time period.
Couldn't you perhaps use R-12 instead? I'm pretty sure you can still get small
canisters at auto parts stores for a heck of a lo
>
> I have a z3801 and trying to use the 1 PPS from the rear panel for the
start
> input of an HP5370B
> This approach seems to work fine until a load is either added or turned
off
> on the same AC circuit or a nearby circuit.
>
> At which point the hp5370 takes a hit and a trace that had been ru
John,
DC, Positive slope, control set to approx. midpoint.
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of John Miles
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: R
I don't know. There was a very long thread on Tekscopes2, but I didn't
follow it as I have some of the real stuff and my probe is not leaking.
Best,
-John
==
> Howsabout HFC-236fa - very similar properties to R114 but not banned.
>
> Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: time-n
Little Endians and Big Endians:
Paper or plastic?
Boxer or briefs?
On top or under?
Each pick what you like, teach your kids the 'correct' way to email
(and there is no top/bottom posting in SMS), but let's talk Cesium, GPS,
OCXOs, and not which side of the plate t
The issue is the Vapor Pressure at room temperature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_pressure
-John
===
>> Just got a quote of $301 for 5 lb. freight and cylinder included. 5 lb.
>> would do a lot of 10811's... Probably have to return the cylinder within
>> some time period.
>
Bottom posting is anathema to those of us who use screen readers. We can't
skim, we have to read every line or risk the possibility of missing
something. In extreme cases I often give up before getting to the poster's
message. If you must bottom post summarize instead of quoting every word of
What he said!!
Don
Max Robinson
> Bottom posting is anathema to those of us who use screen readers. We
> can't
> skim, we have to read every line or risk the possibility of missing
> something. In extreme cases I often give up before getting to the
> poster's
> message. If you must bottom p
I'm not replying to anybody in particular, just hit the reply key on the
last email.
Guys, this is rather off topic, dontchathink? Get over it. Whining won't
change how I post, but perhaps asking nicely might.
-Bob
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Don Latham wrote:
> What he said!!
> Do
I might have missed but has the owner of the list said anything yet about this??
Cheers,
Miguel
On 21/09/2011, at 20:09, Robert Darlington wrote:
> I'm not replying to anybody in particular, just hit the reply key on the
> last email.
>
> Guys, this is rather off topic, dontchathink? Get over
GM List,
The first issue was the request to stop the Light squared posting. Sent twice.
We are non-paying guests with a generous host. Gentlemen, remember the Golden
Rule of Business: He who pays the gold has the right to set rules. Constant
violations could result in no list at all.
Seco
The owner of the list doesn't really care all that much about top vs.
bottom posting.
The owner of the list really just wants people to think about the list
charter before posting: "time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for
the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and relate
GM List,
Basic commandments of precision grade Crystal Oscillators. (1) It is both an
art and a science. (2) The devil is in many details. Unbelievers suffer.
Here is the framework of methods that really work. (Assuming a used unit)
1. Make sure your power supplies are stable AND meet the lo
Perry Sandeen wrote:
> GM List,
>
> Basic commandments of precision grade Crystal Oscillators. (1) It is both
> an art and a science. (2) The devil is in many details. Unbelievers
> suffer.
>
> Here is the framework of methods that really work. (Assuming a used unit)
>
Doing what you describe wi
Hi
Just how good is the thermos bottle in this case? (as in degrees / watt).
You can get some very good vacuum ones and some pretty poor Styrofoam ones.
Bob
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Perry Sandeen
Sent: Wednesday
I'm building a GPSDO using the VE2ZAZ board, an HP 10811 oscillator and
a Trimble Resolution T GPS.
My goal is a simple and cheap 10 Mhz standard for my little home
electronics bench and ham shack.
I have my power supply parts finally gathered up, now I have these
boards that need intercon
Hi
Twisted pair is fine for the EFC. Shielded twisted pair (one end grounded on
the shield) might be slightly better). A lot depends on how many yards long
the EFC wire is :)
Bob
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Chri
If you have a definite ground-loop problem, you can reduce the
sensitivity to direct triggering on it with the counter settings, but
that doesn't necessarily eliminate the interfering signal or its
possible effects - if it happens just at the right time on one of the
desired edges it will still
[In order to make everyone happy, I have top posted AND
bottom posted my reply :-)]
On another list I read, the moderator deletes all top posts
without warning (your post just never shows up). It is
difficult to have different posting rules for each list.
The same moderator will also delete posts
I have a Trimble Palisade that may have become faulty. It will no longer
come up from "cold" (power on) and lock on to any satellites.
It does respond on both serial ports and works with PalisadeMonitor (on
port B) - I can upload time, position and almanac to it, after which it
shows which sat
Perry Sandeen wrote:
GM List,
..The
ovens are proportionally controlled. On start-up all ovens, proportional or
not,
will have over-shoot. Some more, some less. An inescapable fact of life.
Imagine that the set point
On 09/22/2011 12:30 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Perry Sandeen wrote:
GM List,
..The
ovens are proportionally controlled. On start-up all ovens,
proportional or not,
will have over-shoot. Some more, some less. An inescapable
Hi
Actually, overshoot is pretty easy to eliminate on a conventional OCXO by
picking a good location for the thermistor. The heater will always run "hot",
but the rest of the stuff does not have to.
Bob
On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
> On 09/22/2011 12:30 AM, Chuck Harr
That is not always as easy as it sounds.
The thermal equivalent of a "rigid body" does not exist. If you apply heat
to a block of metal at one end, it takes a while for it to propagate to
the other end. In fact, a long thin rod looks a lot more like a
transmission line than an isothermal block.
T
Hi
If the thermistor is on top of the heater, the heat will cut back before
anything inside the oven overshoots on warmup.
Bob
On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, J. Forster wrote:
> That is not always as easy as it sounds.
>
> The thermal equivalent of a "rigid body" does not exist. If you apply h
On 9/21/2011 4:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
Hi
Twisted pair is fine for the EFC. Shielded twisted pair (one end
grounded on
the shield) might be slightly better). A lot depends on how many yards
long
the EFC wire is :)
Bob
Thanks!
Would it do any good to have the control board, GPS, or anyt
As already stated, there are many different ways to design and or tune a
temperature controller so it does not overshoot.
The trade off being that it may then take a little longer to get to the
finial temperature.
BUT SO WHAT??? If one is concerned about a little oven overshoot then they
a
On 09/20/2011 06:55 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote:
I ran across a wonderful paper containing long-term (5 years!)
measurements of quartz frequency drift. A good read for those
of you making measurements, wondering about drift, retrace,
stability, etc.
www.mti-milliren.com/MTIPapers/Ext_Aging_Perf_Resul
Jose,
'Tip of the hat'.
Joe
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From: "Jose Camara"
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner
Little Endians and Big Endians:
Paper or
ws at Yahoo wrote:
>
>As already stated, there are many different ways to design and or tune
> a
> temperature controller so it does not overshoot.
The 10811 control loop is constrained by the large oven mass
and the limited size of the integrator capacitor. The
capacitor is barely large enou
I hope it is not being suggesting that is an optimal PI (no D) oven
controller for limiting overshoot.
Many other ways to do it with less overshoot IF that was needed or wanted.
From the test I've done on it, Less overshoot is not necessary and likely
not desired.
It overshoots a little but
I don't think any "healing process" is necessary unless the capacitor
experiences voltage breakdown. This is unlikely in a low voltage circuit.
Longer integration times are available by changing the resistors
instead of the capacitors. Modern opamps are available that can run
rings around the
>(repeated at the bottom, to be neutral)
My old Eudora does not show me bottom posted text!
Not forgetting that the list owner is fed up which here means that his stomach
is full!
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