Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
I've found yet another good way to get data into a computer. Sparkfun sells a bundle with an Arduino and a student copy of Labview for $50 total. All the analog and digital pins are pulled into LabVIEW and then you can drag and drop the signals into processing blocks and connect those to graphs a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Peter Bell
I think lots of people have designed MCU based HPIB interfaces - the problem is that most of them are, like mine, designed to solve a specific problem and there is no subsequent incentive to clean up the documentation to the point where you wouldn't be embarrased to release it to the public - at l

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5650A Option CPOM Information

2012-01-13 Thread Rex
Here's a start: http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/fei5650a/ Then: http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:rubidium_oscillators Then google: "5650A site:febo.com" On 1/13/2012 5:41 PM, Rich (Buckeye) wrote: Looking for FE-5650A Rubidium Frequency Standard Information. I ha

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-13 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
On 01/13/2012 01:22 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: For providing ntp, probably the best way is to use ntp :) Ralph Smith did a good integration for BSD NTP. I patched it and wrote some startup and monitoring scripts for it for Ubuntu. See http://wa5znu.org/2011/08/tbolt/ I run Heather under W

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
It runs on Wine. Not 100% perfect but well enough to use it. If it is to do more, it needs a re-write. I'd like to see a few features (1) It should always run in client server mode. There is no reason to have the GUI and display talk to hardware directly. Then you can quit the GUI and still l

[time-nuts] FE-5650A Option CPOM Information

2012-01-13 Thread Rich (Buckeye)
Looking for FE-5650A Rubidium Frequency Standard Information. I have obtained a FE-5650A unit that came out a piece of equipment made for Lucent, which I think is telco equipment. RFS Part # FE-5650A UN 62832, S/N 0404-71672 Option 5650A OPTION CPOM. The options do not match with anything I ha

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/12 3:46 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/13/12 2:51 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: $150 is $130 more than $20. It depends on if an ISA type computer shows up for free. I'm having doubts that one will. They seem to have become valuable. T

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W

2012-01-13 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
I'm confused. Is there a Linux version of Lady Heather available? Or would I have to run it on WINE? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instru

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W

2012-01-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/13/2012 06:34 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Lady Heather does not seem to like the Trimble CDMA units. That Lady Heather is one picky lady. It would be good if we could train her to dominate a larger audience,,, I would love to use here for my Z38xx clocks as well. Cheers, Magnus _

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
A PWM controller is bang-bang. Just means that the active drive has two states. The (usually) linear response of the system is provided by some kind of low-pass filtering in the controlled device. PID is a type of protocol used in the feedback loop. The feedback has a Proportional, an Integral, and

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 1/13/12 2:51 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> $150 is $130 more than $20.   It depends on if an ISA type computer >> shows up for free.  I'm having doubts that one will.  They seem to >> have become valuable.  The machine would need to be at lea

[time-nuts] OT re, Sacramento River Monitor

2012-01-13 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Fellow nutters; A comment on something posted earlier today. I know this is off topic,(except for the time-stamp-GPS anteena comment ;-)) but the web site http://water.weather. gov/ahps/ lists all the hydrologic monitors around the county. There are two near here with the crossed yagis pointing

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
The controller looks at the 10 MHz from the Rb and a 1 Hz signal from either a GPS or a tbolt. Over the years I have been very happy with the Shera, except for the DAC. I control my Rb,s to .1 C. In a message dated 1/13/2012 6:06:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com wr

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Mike S
On 1/13/2012 5:37 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: What's "bang-bang servo?" (other than a techno band - http://www.myspace.com/bangbangservo ) A home thermostat is the best example. It is a servo with no proportional control, just on and off. So, is a common industrial PID controller, which only

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/12 2:51 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: $150 is $130 more than $20. It depends on if an ISA type computer shows up for free. I'm having doubts that one will. They seem to have become valuable. The machine would need to be at least a Pentium II so it could boot off the network and then mou

[time-nuts] RB ref FE 5086 $38 shipping included working fine out of the box with 5 V reg

2012-01-13 Thread paul swed
Stabilizing now. Added the 5v 7805 included in the teddy bear and off it went. Follows current consumption as stated on the list. Still settling in compared to the ref thats been running so will see after a few hours. Clearly the 7805 needs a heat sink and I clamped a vice grip on for the moment.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread bownes
On Jan 13, 2012, at 17:51, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > I'm surprised that no one has built a GPIB controller from a uP. > Electrically the GPIB is simple and slow by modern standards. > Several have. That is basically what the prologix is. There is another one you see on eBay quite oft

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 1/13/12 2:33 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM,  wrote: >>> >>> Are we not overdoing it. 7E-13 for $15 KISS, and if you want to go beyond >>> that use a $ 30 analog version. >>> Looking right now at 1 E -14, I do s

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
GPIB is not realy slow by todays standars. It's still capable of transfering more data pr sec than USB 1, there is some notes about it at NI. The Prologix box consist of an an microcontroller and an USB chip or such, but the programming involved in order to get it all working is extencive if you wa

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
$150 is $130 more than $20. It depends on if an ISA type computer shows up for free. I'm having doubts that one will. They seem to have become valuable. The machine would need to be at least a Pentium II so it could boot off the network and then mount some disk space. I know what you mean abo

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/12 2:24 PM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: and send the data out the GPIB but getting that into a computer is the hard part. OK so I check on eBay. Most are $300 but If you can find a computer with an old ISA slot then there are working GBIB cards for about $20.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/12 2:33 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, wrote: Are we not overdoing it. 7E-13 for $15 KISS, and if you want to go beyond that use a $ 30 analog version. Looking right now at 1 E -14, I do se temperature influences, with my heat sink stable to .1 C. Mainly due

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
> What's "bang-bang servo?" (other than a techno band - > http://www.myspace.com/bangbangservo ) A home thermostat is the best example. It is a servo with no proportional control, just on and off. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nut

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, wrote: > Are we not overdoing it. 7E-13 for $15 KISS, and if you want to go beyond > that use a $ 30 analog version. > Looking right now at 1 E -14, I do se temperature influences, with my heat > sink stable to .1 C. Mainly due to the fact that is only one side of

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Mike S
On 1/13/2012 4:30 PM, Don Latham wrote: Oh, I hate to be a pedant, but are we talking about dithering, that is random perturbations to remove things like hysteresis, or using the finite steps as a bang-bang servo? Not random, but a PWM like control to get better precision from a given granular

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > Can you do the programming? > Bert Kehren (1) ANYONE can program a picaxe, that is their main selling point. (2) The next question is "Can you describe in detail, using plain English exactly what needs to be programmed?" If so then go to (1). Seriou

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: > and send the data out the GPIB but getting that into a computer is the hard > part. > OK so I check on eBay. Most are $300 but If you can find a computer with > an old ISA slot then there are working GBIB cards for about $20. Many of us are happy with the Prol

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
Are we not overdoing it. 7E-13 for $15 KISS, and if you want to go beyond that use a $ 30 analog version. Looking right now at 1 E -14, I do se temperature influences, with my heat sink stable to .1 C. Mainly due to the fact that is only one side of the unit and it is clearly designed to use

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What we are talking about is toggling the least significant bit in the DDS to achieve a resolution of less than that LSB. It could be done to a set period (like a PWM) or pseudo randomly to reduce the noise signature. Either way, roughly a 16 element long "period" should be quite adequate.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
Hi Bert: The point to the picaxe is that you can do your own programming; the learning curve is very shallow, there is a really good manual, and the investment is really very small. There is a very large user community, too. Investigate at: http://www.picaxe.com/ The picaxe started out in England f

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
Oh, I hate to be a pedant, but are we talking about dithering, that is random perturbations to remove things like hysteresis, or using the finite steps as a bang-bang servo? Don Charles P. Steinmetz > Bert wrote: > >>wrong there is no DAC involved, it is a DDS > > Ahh. Not so simple, then. I sti

Re: [time-nuts] cheap USB voltage sensor

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
Right, Poul! And I've found, by lots of headbanging on walls, GROUNDLOOPS! even at 12 bits... Don Poul-Henning Kamp > In message <20120113200200.14805.qm...@s421.sureserver.com>, > "=?iso-8859-1?Q?be > ale?=" writes: > >>I have some and they work well. Here's a plot of voltage vs time >>on an

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
Can you do the programming? Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/13/2012 3:56:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: I would just use a picaxe, has a simple to use IDE and several different sizes. No need for assembly, cheap enough for quasi-production. Don Chris Albertson >

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
Dither is only an issue when using a control loop. The difference is that with dithering you eliminate the D/A portion which doubles the cost from $ 15 to $ 30. I personally prefer the analog approach. The same design can have both options. Part of the program. Bert Kehren In a message da

Re: [time-nuts] 5680 RS232

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
Thank you. That takes care of it. In a message dated 1/13/2012 3:58:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmfra...@cox.net writes: Mine reads: MAX3232EWE 0332 and has a 16 SOIC(W);16 pin package. John WA4WDL -- From: Sent: Friday, January 13

Re: [time-nuts] 5680 RS232

2012-01-13 Thread jmfranke
Mine reads: MAX3232EWE 0332 and has a 16 SOIC(W);16 pin package. John WA4WDL -- From: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:17 PM To: Subject: [time-nuts] 5680 RS232 Can some one tell me which RS232 chip is used in the 5680. Thank you. __

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
I would just use a picaxe, has a simple to use IDE and several different sizes. No need for assembly, cheap enough for quasi-production. Don Chris Albertson > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM, wrote: >> What we know is that you can set the Rb in 7 E-13. Dithering would >> allow >> even closer set

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > I suppose one could use some sort of GPRS cellular service and get time, but > then you're on the hook for a monthly subscription fee, etc. They sell such devices. They don't require a subscription because they are receive-only. You don't need

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bert wrote: wrong there is no DAC involved, it is a DDS Ahh. Not so simple, then. I still don't much like the notion of dithering, but it may be the only alternative. Or, as has also been suggested here, add a manual C-field adjustment (but that would not change the fact that the RS-232

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
wrong there is no DAC involved, it is a DDS In a message dated 1/13/2012 3:36:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charles_steinm...@lavabit.com writes: Bert wrote: >we would be talking +- one step and using different rate but reading the >frequency over 1000 seconds would be my answer. Rathe

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bert wrote: we would be talking +- one step and using different rate but reading the frequency over 1000 seconds would be my answer. Rather than dithering the existing 7e-13 steps, perhaps it would be simpler to adjust the 5680A step size? Presumably, the C-field is being controlled by the

Re: [time-nuts] cheap USB voltage sensor

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
If you have a PC and an AC coupled audio interface then send a low frequency audio saw tooth wave to the audio out. Connect that and the device to be measured to an LM311 comparator. The comparator will flip when your output voltage passes the DUT's voltage. One could get fancy and use multipl

Re: [time-nuts] cheap USB voltage sensor

2012-01-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20120113200200.14805.qm...@s421.sureserver.com>, "=?iso-8859-1?Q?be ale?=" writes: >I have some and they work well. Here's a plot of voltage vs time >on an AA battery, showing the 18 bit performance (1 LSB = 15 uV). >Noise is generally +/-1 LSB. >https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/q

[time-nuts] cheap USB voltage sensor

2012-01-13 Thread beale
> Bringing up a question: Does anyone know of a cheap (<$20ish) USB voltage > sensor (16 bits or better, ideally).. I can see one of those Atmel USB > capable micros (like the one on the Arduino Uno) hooked to a dual slope or > successive approximation ADC. Doesn't quite meet your price, but ther

[time-nuts] 5680 RS232

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
Can some one tell me which RS232 chip is used in the 5680. Thank you. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A tear down on Youtube

2012-01-13 Thread paul swed
same conclusion I made that it was a heater and insulation. But at least it was a good video Regards Paul On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Interesting videos. > > Answers to a couple of the questions he asks in the tear down video: > > The foam is there as thermal insul

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
I think the dither issue should be explored separately. Its finding should be included in the Controller. During development I understand the need for on the board programming, but unlike OCXO's which there are many of, I envision this controller dedicated to the FEI 5680A using 10 MHz and a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 1/13/12 8:15 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM,  wrote: >>> >>> What we know is that you can set the Rb in 7 E-13. Dithering would allow >>> even closer setting, the question is what rate will the Rb accept with >>

Re: [time-nuts] Storage locker cleanout

2012-01-13 Thread ed breya
Oops. That last message was supposed to be off-list. Sorry. Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] GPS testing

2012-01-13 Thread Peter Gottlieb
GPS Testing January 16, 2012 aEUR" January 24, 2012 Patuxent River, MD. Notice Number: NOTC3454 GPS Testing PAXR GPS 12-01 January 16, 2012 aEUR" January 24, 2012 Patuxent River, MD. See attached

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
If dither is a consideration it will be the most critical test. Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/13/2012 12:52:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, li...@rtty.us writes: Hi Another thing that would need to be investigated - How fast (and how uniformly) does it respond to a frequency set command. I

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
we would be talking +- one step and using different rate but reading the frequency over 1000 seconds would be my answer. Start at 1 1 Hz rate and observe the lock indicator. At the same time measure frequency. Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/13/2012 12:52:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, l

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Another thing that would need to be investigated - How fast (and how uniformly) does it respond to a frequency set command. If you dither, you care about how long it's at this or that frequency. Measuring 7x10^-13 frequency shifts on the unit probably isn't the best way to check that out

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A tear down on Youtube

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Interesting videos. Answers to a couple of the questions he asks in the tear down video: The foam is there as thermal insulation. It's not for mechanical support. The gizmo on top of the crystal is a rapid transition thermistor. The Russians came up with them for use in OCXO's back in the 19

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680a arrived in boston $38 shipping included

2012-01-13 Thread Peter Gottlieb
You can have mine. Peter On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "J. Forster" wrote: > Can you post or send me a pic of the Teddy Bear? > > -John > > == > >> Well mine arrived Monday so about 3 weeks. >> Its the one without the useless to me oscillator. >> But I found it quite funny. >>

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Lady Heather does not seem to like the Trimble CDMA units. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of VK3YV Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:47 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W Hi all, can an

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A PPS on pin 6 (or not)

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I'd suggest lurking on the usual sites for a cheap TBolt. It will give you a *much* better pps to compare to and you can do some amazing things with Lady Heather. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Miller Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think it's pretty safe to guess that none of these units got reset in the field. What ever the end application, it just let them free run. Based on the number or "pps missing" units, I'd also bet it used the dirty 10 MHz output rather than the pps. Bob -Original Message- From: time-

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Common wisdom is that Rb's come back up pretty close to where they shut down. Weather it takes 10 minutes or two hours to get close on the specific Rb you have is indeed an open question. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Be

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Bert's Rb is performing better than it has any right to perform. He got lucky. At least that's my claim until I get a few measured here. Could be wrong... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham Sent: Thu

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you believe that your GPS is good to < 1x10^-11 *and* that's good enough for what you are doing - the answer is easy. If you need 10X better than that, indeed it gets harder, but still in range for a TBolt. If you need 100X better, then it's very difficult. Bob -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Rb's are sensitive to humidity, pressure, temperature, and magnetic field. You can probably control the temperature. With some effort you can control the humidity. Magnetic field and pressure are a bit harder. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One way of looking at that: Back in 2003 or 2004 it left the factory exactly on frequency with a "zero" setting. (I'm betting there's a factory calibration register in there ..). You fire it up in seven years later and it's moved 5x10^-11. More or less it's drifted < 1x10^-11 per year. Comes

Re: [time-nuts] Storage locker cleanout

2012-01-13 Thread ed breya
Hi Bill, I may be interested in the Z3801s. Are you selling them locally only, or can you ship them? I'm in California. How much would you want for them? Ed Breya ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.fe

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680a arrived in boston $38 shipping included

2012-01-13 Thread J. Forster
Can you post or send me a pic of the Teddy Bear? -John == > Well mine arrived Monday so about 3 weeks. > Its the one without the useless to me oscillator. > But I found it quite funny. > It came bubble wrapped, cheap shipper mail as expected and commented in > the > list. > > But I h

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
I recommend we talk. I am flexible, using 24 bit A/D will blow the budget and there is no way to do it for the cost goal. Bert In a message dated 1/13/2012 11:16:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM, wrote: > What we know is

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/12 8:15 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM, wrote: What we know is that you can set the Rb in 7 E-13. Dithering would allow even closer setting, the question is what rate will the Rb accept with out loosing lock or deterioration of the performance. Some one shoul

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:48 AM, wrote: > did a preliminary layout and priced it with expressPCB and in 30 quantity > the board would cost $ 5 !!!  Any expert willing to volunteer.to do the > loop? > Bert Kehren If the board uses AVR, has in-circuit programming and the ability to do in-circuit d

[time-nuts] Storage locker cleanout

2012-01-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
To anyone in the Minneapolis area: Collected a lot of stuff from eBay during the last decade, to keep me busy in retirement. Turned out that need never arose. Now I can't afford to keep an 8x8 storage locker anymore, so it must be empty by the end of this month. There are many rack-mount time cod

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM, wrote: > What we know is that you can set the Rb in 7 E-13. Dithering would allow > even closer setting, the question is what rate will the Rb accept with out > loosing lock or deterioration of the performance. Some one should explore > that.  I am still waiting t

[time-nuts] FE5680a arrived in boston $38 shipping included

2012-01-13 Thread paul swed
Well mine arrived Monday so about 3 weeks. Its the one without the useless to me oscillator. But I found it quite funny. It came bubble wrapped, cheap shipper mail as expected and commented in the list. But I have something far more valuable now then the oscillator. A teddy bear and 7805 regulator

Re: [time-nuts] sorry about the necro-post..

2012-01-13 Thread J. L. Trantham
This and John Fosters response. I haven't laughed so much in I can't remember when. Thanks, Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:02 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequenc

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A's

2012-01-13 Thread paul swed
Kind of scratching my head here. I have a 3801, great box. But I also have to say that since it can't run lady heather I do not see the value epay wants. Before everything spun up as they always do the 3801 was a $200 box and slightly less. I do not know why but I purchased mine on epay and I want

[time-nuts] sorry about the necro-post..

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
I haven't figured why yet, but I think it's something with an old post inadvertently getting marked "unread" and since I have tbird set up for viewing "threads with unread", it looked like it had just come in (and, of course, who looks at the time posted?) Maybe I'll go back to simple chronolo

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Bownes
When you are thinking about replacing GPS receivers, don't forget about every police car, ambulance, fire truck and most of the tractor trailer's in the US...The latter don't need timing down to the second, but the first three use it to well under a minute. One of the first things you learn when o

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Cotton
Any large IT organization has multiple "stratum 1" GPS based timing receivers. The public key for our internal routing updates is the time. No time and the routing would break. We route ~10+ Tb/hr in the 8am-5pm business day. That would be noticed by our users... On one building on our campu

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/10/11 7:01 PM, Hal Murray wrote: li...@rtty.us said: There's an enormous amount of gear out there that gets timing off of GPS. That's an interesting claim. Does anybody have any data on the usage of GPS for timing? I assume there is one in every cell tower and one in every 911 call cen

[time-nuts] Austron 1150

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
I am looking at using a Austron 1150 in a Tbolt has any one done it or is there any one out there that has experience with the EFC. I want to proceed carefully before playing with the EFC. Also one of the 1150's says power 12-28 Volt, does any one have experience with that. Thanks Bert Kehr

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
did a preliminary layout and priced it with expressPCB and in 30 quantity the board would cost $ 5 !!! Any expert willing to volunteer.to do the loop? Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/13/2012 6:20:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: What we know is that you can set

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-13 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
The 15 volts comes from an old Toshiba laptop ps. The 5 volts is from another switcher, similar to the famous Meanwell. http://www.omen.com/ham/gpsd.html The 15 volts seems fairly clean on my 2712. My Racal-Dana 1992 does emit a signal on 10 MHz. On 01/12/2012 03:40 AM, Javier Herrero wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] EF-5680A Breakout board (Attila Kinali)

2012-01-13 Thread Elio Corbolante
> > From: Attila Kinali > That highly depends on the specs of the PCB and the production size. > Guestimating it's a 2.5x10cm, dual sided PCB and using PCB-pools online > calculator, i get below 12EUR (~15AUD) per piece at a production size of > >15. > For small quantities I use PCBCART (http://w

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread EWKehren
What we know is that you can set the Rb in 7 E-13. Dithering would allow even closer setting, the question is what rate will the Rb accept with out loosing lock or deterioration of the performance. Some one should explore that. I am still waiting to se some aging. Taking the 10 MHz output and

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Breakout board

2012-01-13 Thread gonzo .
Hi Attila, yes, I'm certainly getting the boards made where production is cheap. Other things seem to be cheap there too; like used Rb Osc! I'm paying just under $3 per board (double sided, plated through, solder mask both sides, silk screen both sides). If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't be a

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A's

2012-01-13 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
I bougth one, and it seems like they have replaced the firmware with the one from 58503A. When sending *IDN to it, it responds with HP 58503A. Thomas. 2012/1/13 Hal Murray > > - > > Does anybody know what "Z3801A has been upgraded by us, which the feature > is > the same as 58503A." rea

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for a noob

2012-01-13 Thread Javier Herrero
El 13/01/2012 04:57, brent evers escribió: Hijacked thread. Yes - this would be great to see done on a linux machine. I don't know that much about LH, but something done cross platform (PyQt or such - could make binaries for win, linux, and mac) in a server/client config would be great. I do

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-13 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:50:35 +1300 Bruce Griffiths wrote: Thats certainly not the case in the FS730C, the risetime isnt appreciably affected by the small (4R7) damping resistor in series with Vcc. Adding a series damping resistor in series with the output is insufficie

[time-nuts] FE-5680A tear down on Youtube

2012-01-13 Thread lists
Hi, This is my first post to the list, but I have been a long time reader and found it extremely interesting and informative. I think you guys might find this interesting.. Its a video of a FE-5680A being dissembled on Youtube. I had noticed that within hours of the video being published 14 of

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-13 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:50:35 +1300 Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Thats certainly not the case in the FS730C, the risetime isnt > appreciably affected by the small (4R7) damping resistor in series with Vcc. > Adding a series damping resistor in series with the output is > insufficient to suppress rin

Re: [time-nuts] EF-5680A Breakout board

2012-01-13 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:21:40 -0800 Chris Albertson wrote: > futerlec can build 20 of the above PCBs for US$99, that's $5 each. > plus shipping. And all 20 have to ship to the same address. > Futurlec is an Australian company but mostly run in Thailand they have > offices in US, AU, UK and asia.

Re: [time-nuts] EF-5680A Breakout board

2012-01-13 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:20:08 + "gonzo ." wrote: > your most welcome to the original CAD files (you can then do any mods that > suit your purpose). > The design was done using the free version of Eagle, so anyone can have a go. If you could send them to me, i would very much appreciate it.

Re: [time-nuts] EF-5680A Breakout board

2012-01-13 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:42:57 -0500 Chase Turner wrote: > How much cheaper would you be able to manufacture the board and send them > along, Attila? Would it be cheaper than 15 AUD? That highly depends on the specs of the PCB and the production size. Guestimating it's a 2.5x10cm, dual sided PCB

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage

2012-01-13 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: > You don't need to use the audio interface to monitor frequency. Use the PPS > interface. it will time stamp each positive slope zero crossing. So you > get 60 log file entries per second. Sounds like a lot but not really given > the size of modern disks. I'v

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather S/W

2012-01-13 Thread Peter Bell
I can't speak for all of them, but I had a NTPX26AB-06 and that worked with the Trimble software, but not with Lady Heather. Regards, Pete Bell On Jan 13, 2012 1:47 PM, "VK3YV" wrote: > Hi all, can anyone tell me whether Lady Heather S/W is compatible with the > ex Trimble CDMA 10 Mhz reference

[time-nuts] power for Rb

2012-01-13 Thread Don Latham
Just ordered power supplies for the Rb units, ebay #280439877318 $9.95, free shipping, 15v 3 A, plenty of headroom. Meant for Toshiba and other laptops. Ought to work just fine. Don -- "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for th

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A's

2012-01-13 Thread Hal Murray
b...@shinji.net said: > My question is this... What is the current market value on working and > tested Z3801A's? Feed Z3801A to ebay and see what you find. I see one at $1K, and 2 with power supply and antenna and cables at $480 and $499. (Read the fine print, YMMV...) On the other hand

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4f0fc1aa.5070...@earthlink.net>, Jim Lux writes: >On 6/9/11 1:30 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: >> I don't think it is feasible... for a cooling reason :) Soviet had an entire series of spy-satellits powered by reactors, one of them is still leaking droplets/pellets of sodium from the cool